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Zelensky - feeling quite sad

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Bakewelltart1 · 01/03/2025 20:18

I know that there are several threads about him, but I’ve watched the interview again today.
I don’t know what’s made me feel more sad - how exhausted and disappointed he looked, the fact that English isn’t his first language and it must have been hard to speak, let alone speak whilst being verbally attacked, or the suit question.
When the war is over, I want to buy that man the best suit money can buy!
How can anyone kick someone when they are so down anyway.

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IJWMM · 02/03/2025 00:27

Aecare · 02/03/2025 00:06

I don’t feel sorry for him at all. He didn’t realise his country now is just a small piece on the chess board which is going to be sacrificed by player for better position / or even worse — a dish on the table to be shared between American and Russian( Europe is not invited although they participated in cooking ). When you are a neighbour to a country like Russia, and you are warned not to join NATO, why would you be so naive to think America will help you? Canada didn’t threaten an actual war nor did he turn to Russia, when America started a trade war.Be realistic!

Time for bed now, you’ll feel better tomorrow.

Bakewelltart1 · 02/03/2025 00:27

@TheaBrandt1 yes, and that’s what has upset me today. I’ve felt sadness for someone who is suffering and for the people suffering there.
If anyone knows someone who is living in Ukraine, and knows how tricky everyday life is, it’s hard to watch this on TV. It made a mockery of war.

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ThankYouVeryMuchGerry · 02/03/2025 00:28

Molly70 · 02/03/2025 00:04

It’s not about age, it’s about mental acuity

You realise you just typed this out loud?

I think the mental acuity bus has come and gone with Trump. His mental faculties and capacity are no better than Biden’s as he has proved every day since he was re-elected. He is a total loon!

Fernandoo · 02/03/2025 00:28

Zelensky is a hero

LuckyPeonies · 02/03/2025 00:29

SwedishEdith · 01/03/2025 20:53

Yes, Marjorie Taylor Green is a complete conspiracy theorist. Was just looking her up to remind me of Glenn's name and saw her marriage had "irretrievably broken down" in 2022. Maybe her ex couldn't put up with her anymore.

Both she and her ‘boyfriend’ are mental, and extreme maga nutters. And hypocrites as well, as they scream about ‘christian values’ but cheated on their respective spouses. Hideous people, inside and out.

Crikeyalmighty · 02/03/2025 00:29

@FictionalCharacter I commented on this a while ago -his father was a slum landlord and you are correct -what normal politician at a senior level goes round 'name calling' opposition on a very very regular basis, rather than a one off in frustration-his whole style to be as usJD Vance us all very 'mobster' - no wonder he feels a lot in common with Putin

Rosesducks · 02/03/2025 00:32

Zelensky walked into that room not as a beggar, but as a leader of a nation at war, desperate for support. Trump, on the other hand, saw him as a bargaining chip an opportunity to put on display who really controls the narrative.

The way Trump spoke to Zelensky, telling him he didn’t have the cards, wasn’t just an insult; it was a declaration of authority. Trump wasn't interested in friendship or moral high ground. He was interested in positioning Ukraine as reliant on him, and therefore, on his terms.

Molly70 · 02/03/2025 00:32

ThankYouVeryMuchGerry · 02/03/2025 00:28

You realise you just typed this out loud?

I think the mental acuity bus has come and gone with Trump. His mental faculties and capacity are no better than Biden’s as he has proved every day since he was re-elected. He is a total loon!

You obviously have DTS and are not seeing this objectively. His administration has gotten off to a tremendous start for the American people and people are happy with what he has accomplished so far. I think the meeting on Friday couple have been handled better all round but on the whole Trump is delivering for America as he was elected to do.

Ahouseinvermont · 02/03/2025 00:34

I haven't read the whole thread. I just watched the press conference between Trump, 'JD' and Zelensky. It's so awful to listen to. What bullies. Zelensky was incredible.

Rosesducks · 02/03/2025 00:34

Molly70 · 02/03/2025 00:32

You obviously have DTS and are not seeing this objectively. His administration has gotten off to a tremendous start for the American people and people are happy with what he has accomplished so far. I think the meeting on Friday couple have been handled better all round but on the whole Trump is delivering for America as he was elected to do.

You say his administration has gotten off to a "tremendous start," and I’m sure you believe that. But the real question isn’t about immediate wins or short-term gains; it’s about long-term strategy and the bigger picture. Is this really the kind of leadership that will position America as a strong, respected global power over the next decade? Or is this just a series of flashy moves designed to placate the base while the country slides further into isolationism?

RaspberryVelvet · 02/03/2025 00:35

RogueFemale · 01/03/2025 23:34

Trump and Vance are fucking thugs. The only respect they get is achieved by fear and terror.

Zelensky looks exhausted and he didn’t sign that minerals deal. He was accused of being a dictator last week and he offered to step down (not usual dictator behaviour.)

Yesterday he was in the USA, tonight he’s in London. That’s a lot of jet lag but he keeps going. I think he’s beyond being intimidated by men in suits shouting when his country has been bombed and invaded by tanks for three years. What’s a bit of shouting to him, really?

Shame on anyone defending the attempt to intimidate Volodymyr Oleksandrovych Zelensky. He held his ground.

Molly70 · 02/03/2025 00:39

Rosesducks · 02/03/2025 00:34

You say his administration has gotten off to a "tremendous start," and I’m sure you believe that. But the real question isn’t about immediate wins or short-term gains; it’s about long-term strategy and the bigger picture. Is this really the kind of leadership that will position America as a strong, respected global power over the next decade? Or is this just a series of flashy moves designed to placate the base while the country slides further into isolationism?

I think it is about standing up for American interests and not being taken advantage of. Violent South American gangs have been coming across the border and wreaking havoc and no one until now has done anything about it. America has been funding NATO for years and no one has done anything about making other countries pony up their fair share.

RaspberryVelvet · 02/03/2025 00:41

PiggyPigalle · 01/03/2025 23:32

To look like two piss holes in the snow?

😂 😂

ThankYouVeryMuchGerry · 02/03/2025 00:41

Molly70 · 02/03/2025 00:32

You obviously have DTS and are not seeing this objectively. His administration has gotten off to a tremendous start for the American people and people are happy with what he has accomplished so far. I think the meeting on Friday couple have been handled better all round but on the whole Trump is delivering for America as he was elected to do.

Hmmm, that mental acuity thing rubbing off on you?

Yes, I (and 99% of posters) can’t see things objectively. Says the person who thinks his administration has gotten off to a tremendous start. Keep drinking the Kool Aid.

Rosesducks · 02/03/2025 00:48

Molly70 · 02/03/2025 00:39

I think it is about standing up for American interests and not being taken advantage of. Violent South American gangs have been coming across the border and wreaking havoc and no one until now has done anything about it. America has been funding NATO for years and no one has done anything about making other countries pony up their fair share.

Standing up for American interests? Absolutely. But let’s be honest Trump’s version of "standing up" is more about throwing tantrums and calling the shots like a petulant child at the dinner table. Sure, he’s right to question NATO’s funding, but this isn’t a negotiation; this is power play by a man who mistakes belligerence for strategy.

And let’s talk about that "fair share" nonsense for a moment. Yes, other NATO members could do more to contribute, but the argument here is about diplomacy, not demands. Trump’s solution wasn’t to use leverage wisely or to rally allies with tact. No, his answer was to bully. A bit of posturing, a slap on the wrist, and call it a day. That’s not leadership, that’s a temper tantrum with a trade war on the side.

What’s worse, Trump has the uncanny ability to confuse transactional relationships with respect. He wants fair share, sure, but in his eyes, fair share means getting what he wants and to hell with everyone else. The fact that you can’t see how this undermines the very alliances that keep America strong shows a fundamental misunderstanding of how power works on the global stage.

America can’t afford to keep looking like the bully in the room. You can argue all day about who pays what, but you’ll find that in the end, it’s not who’s footing the bill that defines leadership it’s who stands alone when the shit hits the fan. And I’ll tell you this much: standing alone isn’t a sign of strength, it’s a sign of failure.

Bakewelltart1 · 02/03/2025 00:48

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2024/7/11/how-much-does-each-nato-country-spend-in-2024

This table shows Poland and Estonia as the top 2 countries going above the 2% target of their GDP spending on NATO @Molly70
It isn’t the USA funding it all.

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Crikeyalmighty · 02/03/2025 00:54

@Molly70 you are in the USA aren't you? No a certain demographic may well think he's doing a great job - around equal numbers most certainly don't and the vast majority of international business and public opinion with a few exceptions think he's a narcisstic batshit utter twat and sadly you are losing any soft power you previously had - however on the bonus side I think the UK finally realise that we need to leave you to it over there. Very sad as I used to love my California trips and wine.

RogueFemale · 02/03/2025 00:56

@Molly70 The US president and his sidekick are evil thugs and the whole world can see it. Maybe you didn't vote for fascism but that's what you're going to get. And you'll get more kids dying because they're not vaccinated, (measles is already on the rise), and more people dying because they can't afford medical care or food. And women dying because they are denied an abortion to save their life, in order to deliver a dead foetus. And the endless stream of kids dying in school shootings. I wouldn't visit the USA if you paid me, it's a shithole (as Trump once described Africa).

Crikeyalmighty · 02/03/2025 00:59

@Rosesducks absolutely - to be blunt the guy has zero diplomacy skills - sucking up to Putin and Netanyahu really beggars belief - as someone said on I think it's one of the other threads- he speaks like a mobster and has the attitude of one- all this crooked Hilary and sleepy joe etc - and constant give 'respect' --- sadly after Hackman died this week it is indeed like an episode of the Godfather-

Molly70 · 02/03/2025 00:59

Rosesducks · 02/03/2025 00:48

Standing up for American interests? Absolutely. But let’s be honest Trump’s version of "standing up" is more about throwing tantrums and calling the shots like a petulant child at the dinner table. Sure, he’s right to question NATO’s funding, but this isn’t a negotiation; this is power play by a man who mistakes belligerence for strategy.

And let’s talk about that "fair share" nonsense for a moment. Yes, other NATO members could do more to contribute, but the argument here is about diplomacy, not demands. Trump’s solution wasn’t to use leverage wisely or to rally allies with tact. No, his answer was to bully. A bit of posturing, a slap on the wrist, and call it a day. That’s not leadership, that’s a temper tantrum with a trade war on the side.

What’s worse, Trump has the uncanny ability to confuse transactional relationships with respect. He wants fair share, sure, but in his eyes, fair share means getting what he wants and to hell with everyone else. The fact that you can’t see how this undermines the very alliances that keep America strong shows a fundamental misunderstanding of how power works on the global stage.

America can’t afford to keep looking like the bully in the room. You can argue all day about who pays what, but you’ll find that in the end, it’s not who’s footing the bill that defines leadership it’s who stands alone when the shit hits the fan. And I’ll tell you this much: standing alone isn’t a sign of strength, it’s a sign of failure.

I think he oversteps sometimes and all this talk about making Canada the 51st state and buying Greenland is ridiculous IMO. We have just had enough of the status quo and want some common sense solutions to the problems that America faces. He seems to tune in to what the average American wants but hopefully congress can curb his worse tendencies

JustGotToKeepOnKeepingOn · 02/03/2025 01:08

Molly70 · 01/03/2025 20:39

I don’t think that meeting was the time and place for Zelensky to start lecturing Trump and Vance. He called Vance, JD, which was very disrespectful. Trump ribbed him about his attire when he greeted him but it was a journalist who brought it up in the meeting. Zelinsky was there to sign the mineral agreement and he should have stuck to that and discussed other concerns privately. It was Trump and Vance who were ambushed

There's no way that Zelensky went into that meeting without diplomats from both sides knowing what the questions were going to be. It was a complete set up. Disgraceful behaviour from Trump and Vance.

Molly70 · 02/03/2025 01:10

JustGotToKeepOnKeepingOn · 02/03/2025 01:08

There's no way that Zelensky went into that meeting without diplomats from both sides knowing what the questions were going to be. It was a complete set up. Disgraceful behaviour from Trump and Vance.

Maybe Trump and Vance were set up when Zelenskyy went off on one

RogueFemale · 02/03/2025 01:11

Crikeyalmighty · 02/03/2025 00:59

@Rosesducks absolutely - to be blunt the guy has zero diplomacy skills - sucking up to Putin and Netanyahu really beggars belief - as someone said on I think it's one of the other threads- he speaks like a mobster and has the attitude of one- all this crooked Hilary and sleepy joe etc - and constant give 'respect' --- sadly after Hackman died this week it is indeed like an episode of the Godfather-

Hmm, yeah, but a cheap, vindictive, petty mobster deserving zero respect. That's why I prefer the term 'thug'. Likening him to mafia is almost flattering, - he's too dumb, narcissistic, too pathetically susceptible to flattery, to be a "godfather".

Some people are calling Musk Titler, because of his man boobs. Which pretty much sums it up, the sick joke that is the current US administration @Molly70

juggleit · 02/03/2025 01:11

CaptainMyCaptain · 01/03/2025 21:09

And after Ukraine what next? Latvia? Poland? I don't want a war, I have grandsons of military age, but Europe needs to show solidarity and strength.

It doesn't bare thinking about who’s next after Ukraine does it!
I don't think Trump gets this one bit or doesn't care and this is what Zelensky was trying to put across in the Oval office but that's when they shut him down - his remit, in trumps eyes, was to be thankfull and kiss ass and roll over and sign the deal.

I just really can't imagine a world where the USA wouldn't help defend a European nation under attack. We have become complacent and relied too heavily on the ‘special relationship’

Europe have so much at stake now. Putin know’s Europe is weak willed liberalist leaning - he was allowed to take over Crimea while Europe stood by.

He has been playing the long game for years - wooing Angela Merkel and selling gas to Europe. The inevitable inflationary effect of war due to increase costs of energy, and thereby, food production - cost of living crisis in other nations has caused unrest in the populations provoking those suffering to migrate to cause more pressure on the host countries - this is all
Putins masterplan, to undermine our societies - he is so dangerous and it is even more dangerous that the leader of the free world is not getting his head round this or doesnt want to and is far more interested in ‘doing deals’ and making money for the ‘USA’

JoyousGreyOrca · 02/03/2025 01:24

@Molly70 Interesting to read your thoughts that all that matters is who has the power to dictate to others.
In reality, someone who only cares about power and domination can subject others in the short term. But in the long term, others gather strength and conspire to overthrow someone like that.
Long term leaders require co-operation and goodwill, not just power and domination. You see this in international politics, and in the animal kingdom.
The only people who manage to rule by sheer power and domination have to kill millions of people to do so. Genghis Khan managed it for 21 years. But otherwise, you do not survive with that approach.

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