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Struggling with DS's (18) choices - long one - sorry

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Maplewood6 · 28/02/2025 09:30

I know that I have so much to be grateful for in my DS (18). He is very happy and very popular. His life choices though are bringing me down which I know is related to my past. I had a tough upbring –parents in menial jobs where money was a major source of angst between my parents (e.g. my mum had to get solicitors involved to get housekeeping money from my dad) and my home life was emotionally and physically abusive. Every day was filled with anxiety about when/if something was going to kick off. While all this was going on, I vowed that when I had control of my life it would be entirely different to what I was going through. Luckily (or maybe because of my home life), I loved school – it was civilised and predictable unlike home and I loved learning. I was the only one in my family to go to uni, got a first at a top uni and a well paid job. I had my son on my own (100% OK with that), and he’s never gone without. He’s seen me working my socks off and with some people that instils in them a good work ethic. As I mentioned above, he’s always been popular. On leaving primary school, he got into a top secondary school (he was tutored for that but they said he was bright) and I expected everything to be plain sailing but it hasn’t. After a few years at the school, I realised that it had quite a progressive mindset (absolutely nothing about this in the open evenings/school literature) such that he was allowed to get away with not handing work in. Unlike me, he’s doesn’t have a love of learning so was quite happy with this hands off approach but it meant that he fell behind in his work, became unpopular with the teachers, then he disliked school, was even less inclined to do work etc – a vicious cycle being established. He was also unbelievably disorganised generally. GCSEs was a torturous process – it was as if he’d never been to school at all and after his GCSEs he was diagnosed with ADD (by a psychiatrist). Whilst he was going downhill at school, he got into train spotting, which became consuming and he became part of that community. It’s a full on passion which, if you’re not into trains (me), is hard to understand. Fast forward to the current day, he’s now a few months off doing A levels and massively behind as before – although not as bad as the GCSEs. He’s still a passionate train spotter spending as much time as possible doing that – literally loads of time [he definitely doesn’t have autism BTW).What I’m finding difficult is that every single one of my friends/family have children who are heading off to university and are growing up in their approach to life i.e. are looking forward to moving away from home, living independently, having their lives open up.In contrast, my DS can’t wait to leave school and has his sights set on working on the railways – that is in a mundane, undemanding job (that will allow him to see trains) and says that he’s never leaving home. It’s as if his friends lives are going to keep developing – meeting new friends etc – whereas my son’s life will be stagnating. His new friends (work colleagues) will be a bunch of mainly middle aged men. He’s a truly lovely boy (happy, affectionate) but I feel quite bereft inside.When out for lunch with a friend recently who was telling me how her son was thriving at uni both academically and in life generally (living in a house share), and how this was an important life phase, I found myself blurting out, “Oh my God, this is making me so sad” and I felt quite tearful. I’ve just spent the day yesterday with two other people and again felt really down afterwards on hearing about their children’s plans for the future – travel, uni, aspiration.One of these has a son who also has ADHD and on getting the right medication, has been transformed and almost instantly grown up. My son says his medication doesn’t work and has no interest in addressing his ADHD i.e. it took him a year to tell me that the medication he was on was not actually having any effect and he has no interest in looking at strategies that my help him life more adaptively with his ADHD symptoms. It’s like myself and my friends were all good parents but it’s paying off for them in the way their children are developing; whereas for me it hasn’t. I just feel like my escape from my childhood has been for nothing and that my son is taking himself right back there (which kills me) – a mundane job (that allows him to see trains) with low pay, and all the struggles I know that will bring as he’s used to the sort of life I’ve given him. I think the bottom line is that I’m an aspirational person so seeing a complete lack of that in my nearest and dearest is a real struggle for me. I’m not really sure why I’m posting – I suppose it’s just to have an offload. If anyone has any insights though I’m open to them.

OP posts:
hettie · 02/03/2025 10:45

With a slightly disengaged from education young man with ADHD if he gets himself into a settled apprenticeship or training route I'd be overjoyed.
The risks of MH, engaging in unhelpful actions etc are so high for young men people who struggle with ND....
Honestly, it'll be fine. Degree apprenticeships will be open to him later on... He'll be much better off than those saddled with debt struggling to find appropriate post graduate level jobs....

Oldglasses · 02/03/2025 10:47

He's 18 and he knows what he wants to do, that's great! It's beter than a near graduate who is just going to uni for the sake of it but not really knowing what they want to do and will struggle getting work (looking at you, DD).
I'm sure your DS will want to leave home at some point, but I know two men who are 28 and still living at home so it's not that unusual these days. He probably will meet someone eventually and that will be the push to move out of the family home.
I also know kids who started uni but struggled so much they couldn't continue, they're doing other things now (all at home still) - bit of work to earn some money and trying to make their 'hobby' in to their career.
If he's happy and has a life plan that's the main thing.

Kittkats · 02/03/2025 10:48

It sounds like he is making a success of life to me! He is happy, content and has a life plan that allows him to continue to be both without needing lots of money. He has friends and the capacity to make more. He is kind, likeable and unafraid to be himself. He is motivated to go after what he wants.
He will likely be offered opportunities to train and develop in any job and if this interests him he will take those opportunities and has the intelligence to go as far as he’d like.

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Wordau · 02/03/2025 10:49

I notice you're assuming lots of things.

You assume his job will be undemanding and mundane and presumably not well paid.

You assume his colleagues will all be boring middle aged men.

You assume he will never move out. (You have some say in this one!)

You assume his aspirations will never change or grow.

You assume your friends' children are happy studying at uni and have followed their dreams.

Maybe these assumptions will become true but they're currently fears, not facts.

I would be happy if my child was alive and functioning and content at 18 given the journey we're on, so it is hard to read your post, but when you have a happy, popular child I think it's understandable you would take so much for granted.

Also you may not voice it to your son, but he will feel your disappointment if you're not extremely careful.

I would seek counselling to process these feelings.

WindyAnna · 02/03/2025 10:56

I once met a volunteer driver on a heritage railway. He's been to a good uni, got a good degree and became an accountant. He'd wanted to work on the railways but had been heavily discouraged by his family. When he met his wife she encouraged him to follow his dreams, he jacked in his accountant j9b, became a train driver on one of the main London to Scotland lines and started training to drive a steam train. Said he'd never been happier.

Career changes are not impossible.

Let him do what makes him happy.

zingally · 02/03/2025 10:58

There's good money to be had on the railways. Especially for a bright lad with an interest.
He sounds exactly like my older cousin. He did nothing much at school, scrapped through with little interest or motivation. Did go off to university, but called it quits after a year. Did a bit of this and that, then decided to follow his childhood passion and become a train driver.
He's probably been doing that the better part of 20 years now, and drives the trains in and out of Portsmouth. He's making a tidy wage.

Remember, he's 18 - still a teenager - and very young. I wasn't really ready to move out at 18. I went off to uni, and for the whole first year was thoroughly homesick and miserable.

Give him time.

ExercicenformedeZ · 02/03/2025 11:05

YABVVU. Be happy that he isn't dealing heroin and coke like a lot of my peers from my very exclusive private school were. A lot of people in these rich schools are total wasters. He isn't. He must pick up on the fact that you're a bit ashamed of him, which is sad. Also, if you chose to be a single parent and therefore didn't want him to have a father, that was a bit selfish as children, especially boys, need good male role models (disregard my comment if you were single not by choice) IDK, it sounds to me as if you see him as a project that hasn't quite succeeded, which is very unfair and hurtful to him.

welshmercury · 02/03/2025 11:19

You have a healthy son who has made friEnds and has interests. Do you want him to leave home and barely visit? You’ll be one of the posters saying my son never visits or calls. Rent is so high. Would you rather he got a job he liked or come out of uni in debt and possibly without a degree given his past lack of interest.

why not google apprenticeship in railways? Work with him. You sound like you want to brag to friends rather than have a happy kid.

DancingDucks · 02/03/2025 11:24

Hwi · 02/03/2025 09:59

I totally get what you are saying - people write on here 'Stop putting your wishes and aspirations onto him. It's his life.' Basically, they are advising you to abandon him to make bad choices in life. I wrote previously on here, got flamed, that in front of my eyes I have two examples, where two boys with the same mental capabilities yet different parental approaches produced vastly different outcomes - one is a kitchen porter with no economic future, no ambition and soon, hernias and the other is a interventionalist radiologist on an obscene salary with a fabulous lifestyle and under-utilised on the NHS. We have a duty to push our children, if we push and fail, then be it, but we have a duty not to allow them to choose a path that leads to a dead end. They have no foresight, no life experience, we do. There are plenty of great degrees that can lead him to work and progress in the railways industry - you have to find what he likes - not him, he won't. But you know him, you can find what he likes and guide him into that degree.

This is bollocks.

Both DH and I went to uni and were/are high achievers. However, I want my child to be happy. They are not robots to programme to your way of thinking.

Slidingdoors99 · 02/03/2025 11:24

There are some very good career options in the railway. Lots of apprentice/training opportunities. Engineering opportunities can be very lucrative indeed, don’t dismiss this career option.

Hwi · 02/03/2025 11:35

DancingDucks · 02/03/2025 11:24

This is bollocks.

Both DH and I went to uni and were/are high achievers. However, I want my child to be happy. They are not robots to programme to your way of thinking.

To want your child to 'be happy' rather than to 'have meaning and purpose in life' is a way to ruin and guarantee of unhappiness.

lolly792 · 02/03/2025 11:44

Sounds like the OP's son does have meaning and purpose. It's just not the purpose the OP wants him to have.

Ohwhatfuckeryitistoride · 02/03/2025 11:50

What did you see him doing long term as a career? Would you rather he chased your dream rather than his (solid, practical) career plan? My 3 kids were similar, bright but school was awful for them. I used to joke when they were little that I’d like them to be a Booker winning author, a famous director and a professional footballer, but if not a bricky, a plumber and an electrician. (They are none of these) But the world always needs people that actually do things, make the world go round. Be grateful that despite all the setbacks he’s had, he’s seen a way to be happy and hopefully successful.
I also have an ex colleague who gave up teaching to drive trains. Says he’s never been happier, more relaxed(or as well off)

Dutchhouse14 · 02/03/2025 11:51

I do understand what you are saying OP, I was bought up in poverty and now have a "middle class" lifestyle.
My childhood was very different to my friends.
I think if you have come from a deprived background it impacts how you see things, you know when you are really poor it's bloody miserable.
Your DS hasn't had a deprived background so he won't have the same experiences as you(which is good!) I think you have your own issues to work through separately from your relationship with DS.
As PP have said there are excellent (but competitive) apprenticeship opportunities on the railways so encourage him to look at these.
And at the end if the day he can go to university later on-my DDs BF has just gone at the age of 24, access course and now first year of degree, after working as a barista for 6 years and dropping out of ALevels. He realised he didn't want to do that for the rest of his life but it took time.
Comparison is the thief of joy so try not to compare him to your friends DC.
He is happy, healthy and he is clearly clever, with a supportive loving mum, he will get there. All you can do is advise, support and give him opportunity, the rest is up to him.

jayritchie · 02/03/2025 11:55

Hi

I really like the sound of the railway job. Do you know which employer it is with and the role he would be doing?

There are some great positions on the railways with very good terms and conditions people don’t seem to know about. I also like the optionality of going to university at a later stage should his interests and ambitions change. Easy to lose that by going to university too soon.

Can he be encouraged to complete his a levels even if that means passing with lower grades than some of his peers? That keeps some routes open.

Vevvie · 02/03/2025 12:16

There are some very good apprenticeships with railways! Attending university isn’t the be all and end all, lots of kids succeed who haven’t been and lots of kids who have been never use their degree. Don’t compare him with your friends’ kids, it’ll ruin your joy in your son.

They all find their way in life, just hope he chooses the best one for him.

Prettydress · 02/03/2025 12:23

Comparison is absolutely thief of joy. You absolutely don't know what's going on in these families where everyone is thriving.

With Any neuro divergence life can be so much more challenging as there are so many more barriers. So to have a happy, engaged boy who has struggled in education but come out the other end with what sounds like self-esteem in tact and a plan, I'd say in the grand scheme of things, that is a massive win.

You have done so incredibly well in life, you should be very proud of yourself. The financial stability you have created during his childhood, and into adulthood (in terms of having a home) is an absolute gift to him so if working with trains is a life long passion, he can pursue his dreams. You absolutely never know where it will take him. He could end up becoming very specialised in his field ( neurodivergence has many plusses!) and still be very traditionally successful.

I know its not the life you envisaged for him, but take a deep breath and try and measure success in a different way to the one that you needed to survive. It's totally understandable that you would feel the way you do though.

Arran2024 · 02/03/2025 12:29

My children are in their mid 20s now. I am struck by how some parents I knew have had to cope with awful situations - there have been a few suicides, a drug overdose which led to one death and another being prosecuted, serious medical problems, mental health problems, anorexia.........honestly, OP, just be grateful for what you have. Concentrate on now, stop worrying so much about the future.

Ireallywantadoughnut36 · 02/03/2025 12:47

I discussed similar with a friend and they said the number one thing they wanted for their kids was "more opportunities than I had", you seem to fall into this camp. Me, I said "I just want them to be happy". He understands his life choices, the challenges and what brings him joy. That's amazing! He has found a passion in life, also amazing! He is bright and loves trains, you might be surprised where this will lead once his career starts, equally it might lead nowhere and he might still love his life. It's an emotional adjustment for you, you need to grieve for the "son" you imagined he would become, and then embrace the young adult he actually is. The only area I'd discuss with him is "I'll live at home forever" it might be OK for you, if it's not discuss this now and help him save to move out, but a timescale on it.

Ireallywantadoughnut36 · 02/03/2025 13:00

Hwi · 02/03/2025 11:35

To want your child to 'be happy' rather than to 'have meaning and purpose in life' is a way to ruin and guarantee of unhappiness.

He has meaning and purpose though, he's found a sensible career path in a field he loves that brings him joy. If he was saying "I'm never getting a job, I'm playing on my PlayStation in my bedroom forever" that's a totally different kettle of fish - you're right, that way lies depression and misery. Instead he's found life goals that align with what makes him happy, it takes some people an entire lifetime to find a passion and make it pay for them - what a fantastic thing to discover so young. Happiness is an admirable goal in life, more admirable than earning more money to have "stuff". He'll earn well in railway work (well enough to live), and more importantly it'll be what he actually wants to do

NoWayRose · 02/03/2025 13:30

It sounds like he could end up with a great job that’s maybe less likely to be taken over by AI, without £60k student debt.

That said, I would be saying ‘well you ain’t staying here forever mate’ re the never moving out.

You’ve ticked the boxes of your degree, your great job and his selective school. It sounds like you now want to tick the box of his Durham degree (eg). I totally get this - I would want this deep down too. But I think it’s time to think about what other boxes to tick for yourself, further study, travel, a language etc

JLou08 · 02/03/2025 14:04

If your son is interested in trains a career in the railway industry won't be mundane for him, he will also have good earning potential. If he has passed his GCSEs and gotten on to an ALevel course he is objectively doing well academically. If he is washing, dressing, attending college, not getting into trouble with impulsive behaviour he is managing his ADHD symptoms well. Your son sounds brilliant to me, it's sad that his own mum doesn't see it.

Redisia · 02/03/2025 14:08

Daisyvodka · 28/02/2025 09:44

If he knows what he wants to do and is happy, that's brilliant. But never wanting to leave home isn't great... if he was 12 saying that, that would be one thing, but he's 18. He sounds like exactly the kind of person who will need longer to wrap their head around leaving home, and need it spelled out that independence from you will help him in the long run as you won't be around forever. What did you say when he said he'd never leave?

He is still only 18. Some 18 year olds are far more mature than others. But particularly one diagnosed ADD. Questioning him about when he is leaving home will hardly help his confidence. Take his lack of rush to leave as a compliment OP. He clearly feels secure and loved. You are on the other hand were more like me and couldn't wait to get away from that instability, fear and anxiety. Totally understandable but you and I had very different upbringings to the one you are affording your son.

My DD is like your DS, she is only 16 but has always said and still says she never wants to leave, I know she will leave one day. I'm certainly not worried she won't, it just makes me so relieved and happy knowing she feels so safe and content at home to be able to say this and is not knotted up with anxiety living at home.

I echo what some others have said here. Hard as it is, you need to drop your expectations and stop projecting.

My DHs father pushed DH and his brothers HARD, he had an idea about where and how they'd all turn out and they all pushed against it. Not one of the four made it to Uni - which is what their father pushed hard for. All are bright and perfectly capable of it. From many conversations with my DH, it was the pressure from his father that made him say F this and leave education altogether at 17 and end up in farming. He only has resentment for his father because of that and actually has moment when he thinks if he hadn't had so much pressure off him, he might have just gone into something different and be very rich now 😅

laurajayneinkent · 02/03/2025 15:06

University isn't for everyone, and not doing it avoids a lot of debt. Apprenticeships can be a great career path for a young person. Train drivers are VERY well paid, but a lot of other careers in the railways can be well paid too - my partner (age 60) works in a warehouse job for Hitachi Rail and gets paid over £40K. The job is partly manual, partly on computers.

Hwi · 02/03/2025 17:14

Ireallywantadoughnut36 · 02/03/2025 13:00

He has meaning and purpose though, he's found a sensible career path in a field he loves that brings him joy. If he was saying "I'm never getting a job, I'm playing on my PlayStation in my bedroom forever" that's a totally different kettle of fish - you're right, that way lies depression and misery. Instead he's found life goals that align with what makes him happy, it takes some people an entire lifetime to find a passion and make it pay for them - what a fantastic thing to discover so young. Happiness is an admirable goal in life, more admirable than earning more money to have "stuff". He'll earn well in railway work (well enough to live), and more importantly it'll be what he actually wants to do

I do agree with what you said - I was answering 'the high achieving' ducks since they mentioned they only wanted their kids to be 'happy'.