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Struggling with DS's (18) choices - long one - sorry

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Maplewood6 · 28/02/2025 09:30

I know that I have so much to be grateful for in my DS (18). He is very happy and very popular. His life choices though are bringing me down which I know is related to my past. I had a tough upbring –parents in menial jobs where money was a major source of angst between my parents (e.g. my mum had to get solicitors involved to get housekeeping money from my dad) and my home life was emotionally and physically abusive. Every day was filled with anxiety about when/if something was going to kick off. While all this was going on, I vowed that when I had control of my life it would be entirely different to what I was going through. Luckily (or maybe because of my home life), I loved school – it was civilised and predictable unlike home and I loved learning. I was the only one in my family to go to uni, got a first at a top uni and a well paid job. I had my son on my own (100% OK with that), and he’s never gone without. He’s seen me working my socks off and with some people that instils in them a good work ethic. As I mentioned above, he’s always been popular. On leaving primary school, he got into a top secondary school (he was tutored for that but they said he was bright) and I expected everything to be plain sailing but it hasn’t. After a few years at the school, I realised that it had quite a progressive mindset (absolutely nothing about this in the open evenings/school literature) such that he was allowed to get away with not handing work in. Unlike me, he’s doesn’t have a love of learning so was quite happy with this hands off approach but it meant that he fell behind in his work, became unpopular with the teachers, then he disliked school, was even less inclined to do work etc – a vicious cycle being established. He was also unbelievably disorganised generally. GCSEs was a torturous process – it was as if he’d never been to school at all and after his GCSEs he was diagnosed with ADD (by a psychiatrist). Whilst he was going downhill at school, he got into train spotting, which became consuming and he became part of that community. It’s a full on passion which, if you’re not into trains (me), is hard to understand. Fast forward to the current day, he’s now a few months off doing A levels and massively behind as before – although not as bad as the GCSEs. He’s still a passionate train spotter spending as much time as possible doing that – literally loads of time [he definitely doesn’t have autism BTW).What I’m finding difficult is that every single one of my friends/family have children who are heading off to university and are growing up in their approach to life i.e. are looking forward to moving away from home, living independently, having their lives open up.In contrast, my DS can’t wait to leave school and has his sights set on working on the railways – that is in a mundane, undemanding job (that will allow him to see trains) and says that he’s never leaving home. It’s as if his friends lives are going to keep developing – meeting new friends etc – whereas my son’s life will be stagnating. His new friends (work colleagues) will be a bunch of mainly middle aged men. He’s a truly lovely boy (happy, affectionate) but I feel quite bereft inside.When out for lunch with a friend recently who was telling me how her son was thriving at uni both academically and in life generally (living in a house share), and how this was an important life phase, I found myself blurting out, “Oh my God, this is making me so sad” and I felt quite tearful. I’ve just spent the day yesterday with two other people and again felt really down afterwards on hearing about their children’s plans for the future – travel, uni, aspiration.One of these has a son who also has ADHD and on getting the right medication, has been transformed and almost instantly grown up. My son says his medication doesn’t work and has no interest in addressing his ADHD i.e. it took him a year to tell me that the medication he was on was not actually having any effect and he has no interest in looking at strategies that my help him life more adaptively with his ADHD symptoms. It’s like myself and my friends were all good parents but it’s paying off for them in the way their children are developing; whereas for me it hasn’t. I just feel like my escape from my childhood has been for nothing and that my son is taking himself right back there (which kills me) – a mundane job (that allows him to see trains) with low pay, and all the struggles I know that will bring as he’s used to the sort of life I’ve given him. I think the bottom line is that I’m an aspirational person so seeing a complete lack of that in my nearest and dearest is a real struggle for me. I’m not really sure why I’m posting – I suppose it’s just to have an offload. If anyone has any insights though I’m open to them.

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photolimbo · 03/03/2025 19:17

If he's happy and able, let him persue his dream job. Just because he isn't going to uni it doesn't make him less than. Plenty of people don't go and their world doesn't end. So he will have a 'mundane' job but it's his passion. You might find it boring but if it's what makes him happy to get out of bed in the morning then that's what's more important.

You sound like a wonderful mother who had high standards for him but I can't help but feel like you're projecting a little. You seem to be worried about not being able to share his achievements with your friends but he has his sights on his dream job. I would be 100% behind him because it's what he wants and it's his life. If it's a mistake, he can always change career paths later on, plenty of people do.

Tell your friends you are proud that he had been brave enough to admit he doesn't want to be a sheep and go with everyone else to uni. Also, think of all the money he will save in tuition fees! Best of luck

Dogsbreath7 · 03/03/2025 19:23

So if he applies himself he could apply for train driver- isn’t that an ideal win:win? £70k a year and flexi working ie 4 days on/ off.

Network rail is actually a good employer and once you are in you have a range of opportunities. However he would need to show more grit and success than to date but it might be the incentive to motivate him?

if you really think he is behind might be better to not sit the exams as resits don’t look great even if better grades. With a more positive outlook resitting the year would be better.

why are you so adamant that he isn’t autistic? His obsession sounds more aligned with that adhd. Is he under CAMHS care? Lots of private companies over diagnosing adhd which might be why meds aren’t working.

Aldo is he doing A levels - maybe a more practical Btech would be better- leave go to local college? Is he inclined to engineering - good way into most industries.

its a cliche not interested in gaming? Think about things that play to his strengths.

Emonade · 03/03/2025 19:53

Maplewood6 · 28/02/2025 11:36

Just to point out my feelings are entirely private. I've completely supported him in not going to university (given how GCSEs and A levels are it would be a total disaster) and I 1000% agree that uni isn't for everyone - I don't even think the current school system is good for everyone. After initial reservations, I've also completely supported his ambition of working on the railways as it's his life and it's up to him, although I've pointed out that income has an impact on lifestyle and that when he starts work, he will be standing on his own two feet and I won't be paying for clothes, holidays etc. I know these are my own issues entirely but even I'm surprised at how 'triggered' (hate that word) I am by him following this path rather than the ones his friends are taking. On the very plus side, he really is lovely, and is so incredibly up beat, happy and loving life which is a great thing to be able to say these days. It's all my issues entirely - I recognise that.

Why do you hate the word triggered? He sounds like a lovely boy and has decided what he wants to do which lots of 18 year olds and people much older dont know. He is also only 18 and he will want to leave home one day hes just not ready to think about it

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Lolarowan · 03/03/2025 20:07

I was a complete fuck up going nowhere at 18. I'm now a lawyer. He's so so young.

Worriedatwork1 · 03/03/2025 21:34

Honestly- the most important thing is him being happy. I did very well at GCSE’s and A-levels and was pushed to go to uni which I did then dropped out twice, I spent a few years doing random temp jobs and then fell into my career and studied to up to an MA alongside it and am now fairly successful. Stupidly assumed both kids would also do well at school and have plenty of options, they have really not excelled, one also has an ADHD diagnosis and just about got the GCSE’s to get into college, the other one has absolutely no interest at all and only wants to play sports. I just think that as long as they have some sort of work ethic (even if that’s working in a supermarket) and are reasonably happy, that they will eventually find their way in life.

Username73638 · 03/03/2025 21:57

I’m autistic, super sociable and extroverted. I’ve always had lots of friends and love socialising. My son is also autistic and very sociable. We both make eye contact and have good language skills. I think you have quite a narrow view of what autism looks like.

*FYI the term ‘has autism’ isn’t really used any more, the term ‘is autistic’ is preferred

Jumpers4goalposts · 03/03/2025 23:27

Get him to look into railway apprenticeships it may suit him better and give him a degree qualification, bigger salary and more options. My DH works on the railways (engineering infrastructure) but sees plenty of trains and his company take on lots of apprentices every year.

OhcantthInkofaname · 04/03/2025 00:23

If that is the lifestyle he chooses let him. Don't subsidize his meager earnings make him get by on his own. Urge him to leave the nest. He may soon understand he can't live the lifestyle you gave him. He may need a few years in the real world.

bendmeoverbackwards · 04/03/2025 02:25

OP, my youngest dd is also 18. She is autistic. Sat her GCSEs 18 months ago but has been out of education ever since and is too anxious to do much currently.

I would be over the moon if she announced a passion for a particular job. SHE feels she must do A levels and Uni (very inflexible autistic thinking) but dh and I have never put any academic pressures or expectations on our dc.

I just hope time and maturity will help.

LaDamaDeElche · 04/03/2025 10:32

WaitingForMojo · 28/02/2025 09:41

It seems like you’ve have a very fixed idea of who you want your son to be, and who he is doesn’t match that. You’re disappointed in him. He will know.

It’s his life, not yours. His life isn’t your return on your investment in raising him. He is a separate person from you and his life has just as much value as your friends’ children.
Do you want him to have a happy and fulfilled life, or do you want him to do what you want?

Agree with this 💯

sundaypaper · 04/03/2025 10:39

Great update OP.

I do think you should have a course of therapy asap to understand more about your triggers and learn how your upbringing has shaped your world view, and learn how to move forward more positively.

Padz · 04/03/2025 10:52

Myself and my husband both work on the railway and our jobs are far from mundane! Every day brings something new and challenging. 20+ years on and I’m still learning new things and the pay and benefits are fantastic.
I have many staff that went to University and are now working for me, unfortunately with hefty debts to pay back, and when asked they wished they’d joined straight from school or college.
Let your son do a job he loves, job satisfaction overules money any day of the week.

emilala · 04/03/2025 16:04

Maplewood6 · 28/02/2025 09:30

I know that I have so much to be grateful for in my DS (18). He is very happy and very popular. His life choices though are bringing me down which I know is related to my past. I had a tough upbring –parents in menial jobs where money was a major source of angst between my parents (e.g. my mum had to get solicitors involved to get housekeeping money from my dad) and my home life was emotionally and physically abusive. Every day was filled with anxiety about when/if something was going to kick off. While all this was going on, I vowed that when I had control of my life it would be entirely different to what I was going through. Luckily (or maybe because of my home life), I loved school – it was civilised and predictable unlike home and I loved learning. I was the only one in my family to go to uni, got a first at a top uni and a well paid job. I had my son on my own (100% OK with that), and he’s never gone without. He’s seen me working my socks off and with some people that instils in them a good work ethic. As I mentioned above, he’s always been popular. On leaving primary school, he got into a top secondary school (he was tutored for that but they said he was bright) and I expected everything to be plain sailing but it hasn’t. After a few years at the school, I realised that it had quite a progressive mindset (absolutely nothing about this in the open evenings/school literature) such that he was allowed to get away with not handing work in. Unlike me, he’s doesn’t have a love of learning so was quite happy with this hands off approach but it meant that he fell behind in his work, became unpopular with the teachers, then he disliked school, was even less inclined to do work etc – a vicious cycle being established. He was also unbelievably disorganised generally. GCSEs was a torturous process – it was as if he’d never been to school at all and after his GCSEs he was diagnosed with ADD (by a psychiatrist). Whilst he was going downhill at school, he got into train spotting, which became consuming and he became part of that community. It’s a full on passion which, if you’re not into trains (me), is hard to understand. Fast forward to the current day, he’s now a few months off doing A levels and massively behind as before – although not as bad as the GCSEs. He’s still a passionate train spotter spending as much time as possible doing that – literally loads of time [he definitely doesn’t have autism BTW).What I’m finding difficult is that every single one of my friends/family have children who are heading off to university and are growing up in their approach to life i.e. are looking forward to moving away from home, living independently, having their lives open up.In contrast, my DS can’t wait to leave school and has his sights set on working on the railways – that is in a mundane, undemanding job (that will allow him to see trains) and says that he’s never leaving home. It’s as if his friends lives are going to keep developing – meeting new friends etc – whereas my son’s life will be stagnating. His new friends (work colleagues) will be a bunch of mainly middle aged men. He’s a truly lovely boy (happy, affectionate) but I feel quite bereft inside.When out for lunch with a friend recently who was telling me how her son was thriving at uni both academically and in life generally (living in a house share), and how this was an important life phase, I found myself blurting out, “Oh my God, this is making me so sad” and I felt quite tearful. I’ve just spent the day yesterday with two other people and again felt really down afterwards on hearing about their children’s plans for the future – travel, uni, aspiration.One of these has a son who also has ADHD and on getting the right medication, has been transformed and almost instantly grown up. My son says his medication doesn’t work and has no interest in addressing his ADHD i.e. it took him a year to tell me that the medication he was on was not actually having any effect and he has no interest in looking at strategies that my help him life more adaptively with his ADHD symptoms. It’s like myself and my friends were all good parents but it’s paying off for them in the way their children are developing; whereas for me it hasn’t. I just feel like my escape from my childhood has been for nothing and that my son is taking himself right back there (which kills me) – a mundane job (that allows him to see trains) with low pay, and all the struggles I know that will bring as he’s used to the sort of life I’ve given him. I think the bottom line is that I’m an aspirational person so seeing a complete lack of that in my nearest and dearest is a real struggle for me. I’m not really sure why I’m posting – I suppose it’s just to have an offload. If anyone has any insights though I’m open to them.

Money is important to you because of your past, just as money is less important to him because it sounds like he's had a fairly comfortable life. Make things a tad less comfortable - start introducing the idea that he cannot stay at home forever (not in a harsh way but say things like "when you get your own house you'll enjoy xyz...). It sounds like he's not had a meaningful relationship yet - that will help move him forwards. Boys tend not to be as developed as girls at this stage so give him time but also set some expectations. Maybe talk about downsizing or future plans for yourself that don't involve him living at home. It may shake up his mindset a bit that he can't full rely on living with you forever.

Black101 · 05/03/2025 10:12

You need to understand he is his own person and is already successful. He is popular, he has friends, a hobby and a career plan. That is enough at the age of 18

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