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Struggling with DS's (18) choices - long one - sorry

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Maplewood6 · 28/02/2025 09:30

I know that I have so much to be grateful for in my DS (18). He is very happy and very popular. His life choices though are bringing me down which I know is related to my past. I had a tough upbring –parents in menial jobs where money was a major source of angst between my parents (e.g. my mum had to get solicitors involved to get housekeeping money from my dad) and my home life was emotionally and physically abusive. Every day was filled with anxiety about when/if something was going to kick off. While all this was going on, I vowed that when I had control of my life it would be entirely different to what I was going through. Luckily (or maybe because of my home life), I loved school – it was civilised and predictable unlike home and I loved learning. I was the only one in my family to go to uni, got a first at a top uni and a well paid job. I had my son on my own (100% OK with that), and he’s never gone without. He’s seen me working my socks off and with some people that instils in them a good work ethic. As I mentioned above, he’s always been popular. On leaving primary school, he got into a top secondary school (he was tutored for that but they said he was bright) and I expected everything to be plain sailing but it hasn’t. After a few years at the school, I realised that it had quite a progressive mindset (absolutely nothing about this in the open evenings/school literature) such that he was allowed to get away with not handing work in. Unlike me, he’s doesn’t have a love of learning so was quite happy with this hands off approach but it meant that he fell behind in his work, became unpopular with the teachers, then he disliked school, was even less inclined to do work etc – a vicious cycle being established. He was also unbelievably disorganised generally. GCSEs was a torturous process – it was as if he’d never been to school at all and after his GCSEs he was diagnosed with ADD (by a psychiatrist). Whilst he was going downhill at school, he got into train spotting, which became consuming and he became part of that community. It’s a full on passion which, if you’re not into trains (me), is hard to understand. Fast forward to the current day, he’s now a few months off doing A levels and massively behind as before – although not as bad as the GCSEs. He’s still a passionate train spotter spending as much time as possible doing that – literally loads of time [he definitely doesn’t have autism BTW).What I’m finding difficult is that every single one of my friends/family have children who are heading off to university and are growing up in their approach to life i.e. are looking forward to moving away from home, living independently, having their lives open up.In contrast, my DS can’t wait to leave school and has his sights set on working on the railways – that is in a mundane, undemanding job (that will allow him to see trains) and says that he’s never leaving home. It’s as if his friends lives are going to keep developing – meeting new friends etc – whereas my son’s life will be stagnating. His new friends (work colleagues) will be a bunch of mainly middle aged men. He’s a truly lovely boy (happy, affectionate) but I feel quite bereft inside.When out for lunch with a friend recently who was telling me how her son was thriving at uni both academically and in life generally (living in a house share), and how this was an important life phase, I found myself blurting out, “Oh my God, this is making me so sad” and I felt quite tearful. I’ve just spent the day yesterday with two other people and again felt really down afterwards on hearing about their children’s plans for the future – travel, uni, aspiration.One of these has a son who also has ADHD and on getting the right medication, has been transformed and almost instantly grown up. My son says his medication doesn’t work and has no interest in addressing his ADHD i.e. it took him a year to tell me that the medication he was on was not actually having any effect and he has no interest in looking at strategies that my help him life more adaptively with his ADHD symptoms. It’s like myself and my friends were all good parents but it’s paying off for them in the way their children are developing; whereas for me it hasn’t. I just feel like my escape from my childhood has been for nothing and that my son is taking himself right back there (which kills me) – a mundane job (that allows him to see trains) with low pay, and all the struggles I know that will bring as he’s used to the sort of life I’ve given him. I think the bottom line is that I’m an aspirational person so seeing a complete lack of that in my nearest and dearest is a real struggle for me. I’m not really sure why I’m posting – I suppose it’s just to have an offload. If anyone has any insights though I’m open to them.

OP posts:
Maplewood6 · 02/03/2025 17:26

Thank you, thank you thank you, to everyone who's replied: for all the railway career advice, those who said, 'I get you', those that made me laugh, and the ones that challenged me. And a special thanks you to those who replied when what they're dealing with is much bigger and serious than my issue. For people who won't have read my other messages dotted in the thread, this is all going on internally for me. Outwardly I'm wholly supporting my son's choices as I respect that it's his passion and I want him to be happy in what he does. Given that his organisational skills are poor, I'm leading on what steps he needs to take now to get a railway job when he leaves school. In answer to some others questions he definitely doesn't have autism - his social skills are his real strength and he would socialise 24/7 if he could. I'm a single parent due to his father not wanting to have a child so I accepted I would do it alone and have done. He has seen his father hardly at all. Going forward, I'm going to focus on the positives - he has a great personality, he's happy, he has a passion and direction in life - and all of these are so much to be grateful for. I'll keep reminding myself that my anxiety/fears are based on my background and that I'm jumping to massive conclusions about my son's future based on nothing. Even just naming what i'm experiencing as massive wobble is a reminder that this is all about me and my issues, and not about him.

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FoolishHips · 02/03/2025 17:33

This post makes me really sad. Your son is happy and knows what he wants to do and you want him to do something that will make him miserable because you think it should make him happy.

And it seems very much to do with snobbery and your own idea of what a good life should look like. You sound insufferable to be honest.

MumofSpud · 02/03/2025 17:42

It's easy to say as an outsider and if I were you I would feel the same but.... he is going to be one of those rare people who actually enjoy their job! Lucky him!

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YourGladSquid · 02/03/2025 17:53

@FoolishHips most parents - especially a single parent - would feel anxious about their child not indicating wanting to move out at all.

Obviously it’s very likely he’ll change his mind, but it’s still normal to feel anxious about it.

EwwSprouts · 02/03/2025 17:54

Not a bad career choice at all. Job of his dreams is here:
https://news.siemens.co.uk/news/siemens-mobility-welcomes-bumper-intake-of-young-talent-to-goole-rail-village

Dearover · 02/03/2025 18:25

Does your DS have a job lined up? There are dome fantastic apprenticeships out there. For example, I know of a heritage railway which has a carriage & engine apprenticeship which is developing craftsmanship skills in restoring heritage rolling stock. It's hugely competitive.

barefootcook · 02/03/2025 18:32

I really understand how you feel OP. It sounds like you are an awesome mother and just want the best for him. I have no advice except that growing up is a slow burn and,for boys in particular, it can take a long time to mature. You might be pleasantly surprised in the next year or so. 18 is very young.

Arran2024 · 02/03/2025 19:06

I don't want to diagnose your son as autistic - you are convinced he isn't so fair enough. I just wanted to mention my super-sociable daughter, who has a diagnosis of autism. She has autism with PDA - PDA is known as the "social autism". She was always overly friendly, overly sociable. No one would believe she was autistic, particularly her primary school teachers, even though she had 2 diagnoses by this point (2nd assessment was because the new psychologist at CAMHS didn't believe the first one!). She was masking like mad of course.

I'm just mentioning this in case it rings any bells x

DancingDucks · 02/03/2025 19:10

Hwi · 02/03/2025 11:35

To want your child to 'be happy' rather than to 'have meaning and purpose in life' is a way to ruin and guarantee of unhappiness.

It's really sad that you are unable to accept that someone can actually have meaning and purpose in life in many different ways. Some, believe it or not, not dictated by a parent.

Linux20 · 02/03/2025 19:49

Half the kids that go to uni, go because they don’t have a clear idea of what they want to do with their lives. (As a mum of a uni student).
i went to uni, I still ended up in a job I hate. Husband went to uni to study one field, worked in it for 12 years, if he stayed there he’d be on over £100k a year now. He hated every single second of it, brought it home and our lives were miserable. He retrained took another lower paid job and although he had bad days, it’s nowhere near as bad as it was.

Being happy in your job/life is the biggest success you can have in life.
If he wants to work in the railways have a look with him at possible careers for him that could help him fly and love it. They do all sorts of apprenticeships including degree apprenticeships that would get him the degree without the debt.

www.earlycareers.networkrail.co.uk/programme/apprenticeships/

embron24 · 02/03/2025 20:28

This sounds very like my own son, serial under achiever, found exams almost impossible, but incredibly intelligent. Both of us knew Uni wasn't for him unlike his high achieving sisters. He took an apprenticeship, he earns not much over the minimum wage even after 9 years, if he moved jobs he could earn much more but he has zero ambition. I doubt he'll ever move out, that worries me more than anything else, that he's not moving forward with his life and will end up totally alone. BUT he's quite happy. I'm 100% sure he is autistic but despite asking repeatedly he was never picked up, (although dispraxia was), because he could always behave when so many others couldn't. His year was full of kids with SEND. I guess as parents, worrying is our job but we just have to trust them and let them get on with it, keeping everything crossed it works out.

Frazzled83 · 02/03/2025 21:27

He sounds incredibly autistic for someone who definitely isn’t autistic!

IcecreamWhatSandwich · 02/03/2025 21:28

OP a lot of people have disagreed with you on this thread, but you do also seem like a great parent, and your son is very lucky to have you thinking about how to support him and trying to work out best things to do.

Agapornis · 02/03/2025 21:45

A lot of the apprenticeships are recruiting NOW and closing in the next few days or weeks (if they haven't already). So get him to apply if he wants a job from September.

TfL and Network Rail are both very solid career employers. He might not earn millions, but he'll never have to worry about job security, illness, or his pension. With NR he can choose to work all over Britain.

He definitely needs to understand that he needs to leave in the next few years though. Sod that 😂

ExercicenformedeZ · 02/03/2025 22:34

Agapornis · 02/03/2025 21:45

A lot of the apprenticeships are recruiting NOW and closing in the next few days or weeks (if they haven't already). So get him to apply if he wants a job from September.

TfL and Network Rail are both very solid career employers. He might not earn millions, but he'll never have to worry about job security, illness, or his pension. With NR he can choose to work all over Britain.

He definitely needs to understand that he needs to leave in the next few years though. Sod that 😂

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Why does he 'need to leave'?

Arran2024 · 02/03/2025 22:44

ExercicenformedeZ · 02/03/2025 22:34

Why does he 'need to leave'?

And what is the mother supposed to do if he's not interested in leaving? Put his stuff in bin bags in the front garden and lock the doors? I know several men in their late 20s still at home. It is easy to say "no way" but harder to do anything about it.

Shintoland · 03/03/2025 00:50

He's only 18. They don't need to have his exit strategy down pat at this stage. His views will likely change as he grows up. Even the most fervently held opinions get outgrown <looking hard at DD - no longer vegetarian, no longer teetotal, no longer proud owner of an Iggle Piggle duvet cover.>

mezlou84 · 03/03/2025 07:35

You would be surprised the work that goes into working in a signal box or being a driver on a train. My brother works in a signal box and my grandad did. It's very high tech now and even then if you didn't do your job right it could end in alot of deaths. You had to remember the combinations of the levers and which order they went in. I used to go sometimes and watch my grandad. Now there is so much going on and is a well paid job tbh. Now if you said they were aspiring to stay at home and not do anything staying on universal credit then I would be with you. I suggest you show him all the qualifications required and it might get him to buck his ideas up on getting those qualifications needed and might just change your mind about it being a mundane job. My son is 16 ASD ADHD and all I want is for him to do a job he is happy doing. He got the qualifications he needed to get on a level 3 conservation course. He worked hard at subjects he's not great at because he wanted conservation. If he's happy in a job, his mental health will be good, he will make friends and he will be a great member of society. I don't get trains, never have but has always been an obsession with my son and nephew, nevermind my brother and grandad lol. I know they're happy and that's what I want. Never snub job satisfaction.

Namechangersanonymous · 03/03/2025 13:10

@Maplewood6 it sounds like you’ve done a fantastic job in raising a happy child who knows what he wants in life. Please don’t be hard on yourself for wanting the very best for him.

i also recognised your outlook completely. My DS is younger and I worry about him in the same way. Like you, I was aspirational and ambitious and I know my son isn’t like that. He is very bright, but terrible at exams. Also struggles with concentration.

He was diagnosed as having ADHD a few years ago, but it was only in the last couple of years that he got an autism diagnosis. Please look into it as a possibility as he sounds potentially autistic.

like your son, mine is also very popular. He has lots of friends and has always been very confident with adults and kids. For that reason, I assumed he definitely wasn’t autistic, but it’s not that simple.

I also think that if it wasn’t for an exceptionally good autism centre near us, it would’ve been missed. I know quite a few people who have obviously autistic kids in other parts of country who are struggling to get a referral, so even professionals don’t understand the scope of autism.

That said, the railways is a really good career option and his passion could take him far. It may motivate him to go to university in a couple of years, or he may find that he can excel without university. I’ve worked in a couple of industries over my career - both have generally needed degrees. However, I’ve met a few colleagues who didn’t have degrees but worked their way up from junior roles. They were all exceptional and outperformed many colleagues who had gone to university. It was because they had a passion for what they did and loved the work, so they thrived and climbed more quickly than many who just saw it as a way to pay the mortgage.

PrimitivePerson · 03/03/2025 16:46

The rail industry is about the best you'll find anywhere for opportunities to advance without a degree. I was managing a railway control room for £60k a year twenty years ago, and although I have a degree, it absolutely wasn't necessary and none of my colleagues in the same grade did. They just worked they way up and got to know the network inside out. That was what was needed to do the job well.

Laura95167 · 03/03/2025 18:04

The life you've provided has, thankfully, meant he has had choices

Just because they wouldn't be yours doesn't mean they aren't good. There are well paying train jobs and he's only 18 give it time

Y737 · 03/03/2025 18:08

He might be able to get an apprenticeship and build a career that he might love. Who knows? At least he has found a passion that will lead to work. I understand your values - but they might get in the way.

PansyP · 03/03/2025 18:27

Your post reminds me a lot of someone i know. A very successful, driven woman from a working class background who reached the top of her profession. She couldn't understand her daughter's (perceived) lack of focus and drive and pushed and pushed her. The girl attempted suicide. She survived but for a long time this woman still couldnt just let her be. The girl eventually got a "lowly" job, moved out and is doing better. I couldn't understand how the woman couldn't see that it was all her fault.

Oldie73 · 03/03/2025 18:48

I know a young man who sounds similarl to your son. He did an apprenticeship with a rail company rather than going to uni. After a couple of years he’s gone off to uni to do engineering.

canyouseemyhousefromhere · 03/03/2025 19:08

My niece is a train driver (has been since she was early 20s). She is now senior and earns very good money. Is married with kids and loves her job.
it’s not all middle aged men!