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Struggling with DS's (18) choices - long one - sorry

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Maplewood6 · 28/02/2025 09:30

I know that I have so much to be grateful for in my DS (18). He is very happy and very popular. His life choices though are bringing me down which I know is related to my past. I had a tough upbring –parents in menial jobs where money was a major source of angst between my parents (e.g. my mum had to get solicitors involved to get housekeeping money from my dad) and my home life was emotionally and physically abusive. Every day was filled with anxiety about when/if something was going to kick off. While all this was going on, I vowed that when I had control of my life it would be entirely different to what I was going through. Luckily (or maybe because of my home life), I loved school – it was civilised and predictable unlike home and I loved learning. I was the only one in my family to go to uni, got a first at a top uni and a well paid job. I had my son on my own (100% OK with that), and he’s never gone without. He’s seen me working my socks off and with some people that instils in them a good work ethic. As I mentioned above, he’s always been popular. On leaving primary school, he got into a top secondary school (he was tutored for that but they said he was bright) and I expected everything to be plain sailing but it hasn’t. After a few years at the school, I realised that it had quite a progressive mindset (absolutely nothing about this in the open evenings/school literature) such that he was allowed to get away with not handing work in. Unlike me, he’s doesn’t have a love of learning so was quite happy with this hands off approach but it meant that he fell behind in his work, became unpopular with the teachers, then he disliked school, was even less inclined to do work etc – a vicious cycle being established. He was also unbelievably disorganised generally. GCSEs was a torturous process – it was as if he’d never been to school at all and after his GCSEs he was diagnosed with ADD (by a psychiatrist). Whilst he was going downhill at school, he got into train spotting, which became consuming and he became part of that community. It’s a full on passion which, if you’re not into trains (me), is hard to understand. Fast forward to the current day, he’s now a few months off doing A levels and massively behind as before – although not as bad as the GCSEs. He’s still a passionate train spotter spending as much time as possible doing that – literally loads of time [he definitely doesn’t have autism BTW).What I’m finding difficult is that every single one of my friends/family have children who are heading off to university and are growing up in their approach to life i.e. are looking forward to moving away from home, living independently, having their lives open up.In contrast, my DS can’t wait to leave school and has his sights set on working on the railways – that is in a mundane, undemanding job (that will allow him to see trains) and says that he’s never leaving home. It’s as if his friends lives are going to keep developing – meeting new friends etc – whereas my son’s life will be stagnating. His new friends (work colleagues) will be a bunch of mainly middle aged men. He’s a truly lovely boy (happy, affectionate) but I feel quite bereft inside.When out for lunch with a friend recently who was telling me how her son was thriving at uni both academically and in life generally (living in a house share), and how this was an important life phase, I found myself blurting out, “Oh my God, this is making me so sad” and I felt quite tearful. I’ve just spent the day yesterday with two other people and again felt really down afterwards on hearing about their children’s plans for the future – travel, uni, aspiration.One of these has a son who also has ADHD and on getting the right medication, has been transformed and almost instantly grown up. My son says his medication doesn’t work and has no interest in addressing his ADHD i.e. it took him a year to tell me that the medication he was on was not actually having any effect and he has no interest in looking at strategies that my help him life more adaptively with his ADHD symptoms. It’s like myself and my friends were all good parents but it’s paying off for them in the way their children are developing; whereas for me it hasn’t. I just feel like my escape from my childhood has been for nothing and that my son is taking himself right back there (which kills me) – a mundane job (that allows him to see trains) with low pay, and all the struggles I know that will bring as he’s used to the sort of life I’ve given him. I think the bottom line is that I’m an aspirational person so seeing a complete lack of that in my nearest and dearest is a real struggle for me. I’m not really sure why I’m posting – I suppose it’s just to have an offload. If anyone has any insights though I’m open to them.

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Lentilweaver · 28/02/2025 10:15

I don't think hanging out with middle aged men is a terrible thing, and I would much rather have a trainspotter for a child than a vacuous influencer or Andrew Tate fan. Being off social media is a rare and lovely thing.

SilvieBear · 28/02/2025 10:16

Going to uni nowadays and coming out with huge debt isn’t necessarily something I’d do myself (and I loved uni) or encourage my kids to do unless they had a vocation or desperately wanted to go.

Your son has a passion. He already knows what he wants to do (which I still don’t, even though I have a successful career, and I’m in my 40s!)
There’s a lot to be said for that.
As PPs have said, he can have a very fulfilling, successful career (and well paid - have you seen how much train drivers get paid on the Elizabeth Line, for example) on the railway. Don’t knock it!

YoYoFlo · 28/02/2025 10:16

Your DS sounds lovely- and happy, which is so important especially for teenagers.

I think you need to remember that he's not you, he's got different needs and interests and he wouldn't be happy taking the same life path as you.

Btw careers on the railways are great - some v good employers where you are well paid, well supported and do interesting (well to your son!) work.

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HarryVanderspeigle · 28/02/2025 10:28

It's very common for neurodivergent kids to be a few years behind emotionally and developmentally. Never wanting to leave home now may look very different in 2 or 3 years. In any case, it is not up to him, it's your house!

There is no point in him going to university if he can't or won't do the work. All that brings is mountains of debt and potentially still no degree at the end. He needs to find his own path through life.

Happystrider1 · 28/02/2025 10:30

I think you are overthinking it. I myself work in rail as do some of my friends. There are a range of jobs from track, stations, driving, engineering and admin. I assume he just wants a station job so he can see them pulling in and out? You say he isn't school orientated but what about an apprenticeship would he be up for that? The current government is keen to move freight from off the road onto rail, the future is actually looking quite bright at the moment for the industry.

Instead of trying to divert him away from a career that he finds fascinating instead aim him towards the large companies whereby he can start from the bottom and then decide as he gets older which direction to go in. So National Rail is based in Milton Keynes and Freightliner in based all over the country. Both offer apprenticeships or check out your local train operators i.e South Western and Cross Country.

I appreciate you are disappointed in some respects because he isn't 'aiming high'. However he has a strong hobby which could give him the inclination to improve himself in life. Your past experiences are actually beneficial in that you will be wiser to further education and the benefits it brings. Honestly check out the companies above and see if you can plant a seed in his head about a career rather than just a job.

UnbeatenMum · 28/02/2025 10:31

In the nicest possible way I think you've got a lot to be thankful for. I will be beyond ecstatic if my teenagers have good mental health and a job they enjoy as adults.

BlondiePortz · 28/02/2025 10:32

Every child is bright especially to their parents, he is not you and has every right to decide this

crossstitchingnana · 28/02/2025 10:34

My dd is 25, still at home and works in a shop. Failed her GCSEs and I too am a "good parent". I have been where you are now but honestly, let your view of his future go. He'll get to where he needs to be with your support, not disappointment.

BunnyLake · 28/02/2025 10:37

Better he’s in a job he loves that involves trains than one he’s miserable in to please others.

Would he consider being a train driver, ticket collector, guard etc? As he gets older he may well find he wants to involve himself more in other aspects of trains and go back to further education (engineering, management etc). He doesn’t have to have it all figured out at 18.

The chances of him never wanting to leave home as he gets older is pretty slim.

namechangebeepboop · 28/02/2025 10:40

Ok so from an average outsiders perspective wanting to get a job in the rail industry is not a bad ambition at all. he’s obviously not academic so why would he go to uni and rack up debt when he could get a job in a sector he’s passionate about?

youve gone into your past trauma but I would go a step further and connect the dots as to why your upbringing is causing these triggers with your son.

lastly I would say you could do with reframing how you think about things. Just because he doesn’t want to go to uni does not mean there’s a complete lack as you put it of aspiration. Success and ambition can come in many forms, he’s wanting a job where he knows he will be happy, he’s still got goals. How would you feel if your son was depressed and literally couldn’t do any work? It’s just reframing the narrative a little and pushing past your own trauma I think

you’ve got this!

PaintDecisions · 28/02/2025 10:41

The railways are an excellent career choice. So much scope for lateral movement and promotion opportunities. Pay is generally pretty good with strong unions, depending on the role.

What role does he want?

As for never moving out - personally I'd be disabusing him of that notion and telling him that you expect him to work towards independence including his own place whether a room in a shared house or a flat on his own and that this is a normal expectation for a young man.

Cattery · 28/02/2025 10:43

Hollyjollywafflecone · 28/02/2025 10:01

With kindness, this is about you and your own ego, and not your son. You want to be able to talk about your children thriving at a good university because that reflects well on you. There are well paid jobs on the railway, your son could have a great, well paid career in a job he loves, where’s the problem?
Even if not, He’s 18, he doesn’t need to stick to whatever plan he makes this year. Perhaps you need to work through some of your trauma around your childhood so this feels less triggering.

This ^ He’s not an extension of you. How lovely to be working in an industry that interests him. Not everyone is that lucky

persisted · 28/02/2025 10:47

I work with engineering apprentices. A couple of years after they're qualified they will be on more money than I have ever earned.
They also won't be paying back a student loan for the next 25 years like I have 🙄. I had a great time at university but you shouldn't make assumptions about exactly what success looks like.

Ihopeyouhavent · 28/02/2025 10:47

I work within the railway industry and the jobs are very far from mundane.

And why do you think he'll be surrounded by middle aged men?

He should start looking at apprentice/graduate roles, they are fantastic, hard to get, but would be amazing for him. And he'd be with others he same age and has the support of older people.

RachelLikesTea · 28/02/2025 10:50

I would feel very proud of him and relieved that he is happy and knows what he wants. He has found something that he is passionate about. Some people never find that their whole lives. Trainspotters aren't all men in anoraks, it's a very cool hobby (see Francis Bourgeois on Instagram). I live near a heritage railway and live with railway enthusiasts and we have a model railway. I have friends who are employed on the local trains, they love it, great social life at work and are well paid.

I think you should ditch all these academic expectations that you have imposed on your son and support his choice. My eldest son was very academic but mentally checked out of education and went into work after A Levels. I am really proud of him for his choices and he is doing brilliantly at work. He's left home and lives somewhere that he can surf every day. University isn't for everyone. My son did not want the experience or the debt. Your son could have an amazing career on the railways. He says that he doesn't want to leave home now but a career like this could (literally) take him any direction.

ThatsNotMyTeen · 28/02/2025 10:50

I’m also a high academic achiever with a very bright 18 year old son so I get where you are coming from. Mine has left the uni he was in as it was the wrong place for him and his mental health was in the gutter. Am I disappointed no because it’s his life not mine and his well being is more important than a top uni degree. He’ll find his way and so will your son. It’s his life not yours and I think you need to back off

SparklyBrickViper · 28/02/2025 10:54

Perhaps your son wants to choose his own path in life, not the path you choose for him?

As the DIL of a retired train driver I can assure you the it was far from a mundane job, and my father in law earned an extremely good wage (and plenty of perks for travel).

Do a job you enjoy and you never have to work a day in your life.

ThirdStorm · 28/02/2025 10:58

As others have said the Railway is a great choice. Train drivers are well respected and earn well (my brother qualified in his late 20s and starting salary was £55K plus 8 weeks holiday and the pension is incredible). Station roles can also be rewarding and offer progression too. There are far worse industries and places to be and even better that he can indulge his hobby whilst working - isn't that the dream?! It sounds like he's been trapped in education longer than suited, shame he didn't explore an apprenticeship instead of A-levels but you are where you are. His life is just starting and it sounds like he has lots of great options. Education isn't for everyone. I never did uni but once I found my career path I was able to study and get qualifications. I thrived in the workplace.

Lentilweaver · 28/02/2025 11:07

As a rabid supporter of public transport, few jobs more worthwhile than the railways, I believe. They certainly contribute more than I do, and I am an academic achiever.

I have had to reframe my own thinking at times.

Ohapal · 28/02/2025 11:08

Life is not all plain sailing and adventures for those at uni/travelling. I think it’s got kind of expected that you say that your dc is having a great time at uni, blah blah. My ds is at uni and I know that the “great time” is very far from reality in many many cases. It isn’t like uni 20yrs ago. It’s changed a lot. Students keep a lot of stuff back from their parents.

There are nearly a million 16-24yos NEET. It’s honestly a scary age to be. Your ds has an interest. I would let him pursue it and see if there are ways to develop it. Eg engineering degree apprenticeship or other training/qualifications.

I have plenty of friends with kids, graduated, and there is nothing for them. One in particular is sitting at home, very depressed and doesn’t know how to move forwards. The job market is a nightmare - both for graduate jobs and for nmw jobs.

I would let your son get on with his trains job, and then look to develop from there.

PineappleCoconut · 28/02/2025 11:08

You don't just have to be a train driver to work with trains

There are so many opportunities, starting with apprenticeships. A good formed started an apprenticeship with a large train company at 16, working in the yard, moved up through many jobs and departments and is now on a very good salary, working partially from home since covid, and has recently been on some amazing far flung work trips.

Trains interest your son and make him happy. That's not a bad thing.

I wouldn't be too upset that he knows what he wants as a career, and at 18 not everyone is ready to leave home. This is the bit that perhaps you need to encourage and work on.

RachelLikesTea · 28/02/2025 11:11

persisted · 28/02/2025 10:47

I work with engineering apprentices. A couple of years after they're qualified they will be on more money than I have ever earned.
They also won't be paying back a student loan for the next 25 years like I have 🙄. I had a great time at university but you shouldn't make assumptions about exactly what success looks like.

These are such wise words!

dottydodah · 28/02/2025 11:17

Gosh I thought you were going to say hes in a squat doing drugs or something!I understand what you mean though.You have done very well to get on and naturally want the same for your Son .My own DS has done very well and went to RG uni earning well very proud .However DD struggles ,Your own DS seems to know what he wants .The Railway has a very strong union and train staff(not just drivers) are very well paid .I think he will be fine .You have brought him up well and he will benefit from that