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Struggling with DS's (18) choices - long one - sorry

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Maplewood6 · 28/02/2025 09:30

I know that I have so much to be grateful for in my DS (18). He is very happy and very popular. His life choices though are bringing me down which I know is related to my past. I had a tough upbring –parents in menial jobs where money was a major source of angst between my parents (e.g. my mum had to get solicitors involved to get housekeeping money from my dad) and my home life was emotionally and physically abusive. Every day was filled with anxiety about when/if something was going to kick off. While all this was going on, I vowed that when I had control of my life it would be entirely different to what I was going through. Luckily (or maybe because of my home life), I loved school – it was civilised and predictable unlike home and I loved learning. I was the only one in my family to go to uni, got a first at a top uni and a well paid job. I had my son on my own (100% OK with that), and he’s never gone without. He’s seen me working my socks off and with some people that instils in them a good work ethic. As I mentioned above, he’s always been popular. On leaving primary school, he got into a top secondary school (he was tutored for that but they said he was bright) and I expected everything to be plain sailing but it hasn’t. After a few years at the school, I realised that it had quite a progressive mindset (absolutely nothing about this in the open evenings/school literature) such that he was allowed to get away with not handing work in. Unlike me, he’s doesn’t have a love of learning so was quite happy with this hands off approach but it meant that he fell behind in his work, became unpopular with the teachers, then he disliked school, was even less inclined to do work etc – a vicious cycle being established. He was also unbelievably disorganised generally. GCSEs was a torturous process – it was as if he’d never been to school at all and after his GCSEs he was diagnosed with ADD (by a psychiatrist). Whilst he was going downhill at school, he got into train spotting, which became consuming and he became part of that community. It’s a full on passion which, if you’re not into trains (me), is hard to understand. Fast forward to the current day, he’s now a few months off doing A levels and massively behind as before – although not as bad as the GCSEs. He’s still a passionate train spotter spending as much time as possible doing that – literally loads of time [he definitely doesn’t have autism BTW).What I’m finding difficult is that every single one of my friends/family have children who are heading off to university and are growing up in their approach to life i.e. are looking forward to moving away from home, living independently, having their lives open up.In contrast, my DS can’t wait to leave school and has his sights set on working on the railways – that is in a mundane, undemanding job (that will allow him to see trains) and says that he’s never leaving home. It’s as if his friends lives are going to keep developing – meeting new friends etc – whereas my son’s life will be stagnating. His new friends (work colleagues) will be a bunch of mainly middle aged men. He’s a truly lovely boy (happy, affectionate) but I feel quite bereft inside.When out for lunch with a friend recently who was telling me how her son was thriving at uni both academically and in life generally (living in a house share), and how this was an important life phase, I found myself blurting out, “Oh my God, this is making me so sad” and I felt quite tearful. I’ve just spent the day yesterday with two other people and again felt really down afterwards on hearing about their children’s plans for the future – travel, uni, aspiration.One of these has a son who also has ADHD and on getting the right medication, has been transformed and almost instantly grown up. My son says his medication doesn’t work and has no interest in addressing his ADHD i.e. it took him a year to tell me that the medication he was on was not actually having any effect and he has no interest in looking at strategies that my help him life more adaptively with his ADHD symptoms. It’s like myself and my friends were all good parents but it’s paying off for them in the way their children are developing; whereas for me it hasn’t. I just feel like my escape from my childhood has been for nothing and that my son is taking himself right back there (which kills me) – a mundane job (that allows him to see trains) with low pay, and all the struggles I know that will bring as he’s used to the sort of life I’ve given him. I think the bottom line is that I’m an aspirational person so seeing a complete lack of that in my nearest and dearest is a real struggle for me. I’m not really sure why I’m posting – I suppose it’s just to have an offload. If anyone has any insights though I’m open to them.

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CheekySnake · 28/02/2025 11:57

All the major train companies offer apprenticeships - I would be guiding him in the direction of those. University isn't the only route, nor is it necessarily the best one any more. There are lots of grads with massive debt and degrees that are not worth what they paid for them. And he can always go later. FWIW my oldest wouldn't even apply for uni. She's 3 years into a higher level apprenticeship now, with her qualifications paid for, and is confident and happy.

Were you hoping he'd go to uni so that he would leave home?

BobbyBiscuits · 28/02/2025 12:03

Working on the railways is a decent career. At least it used to be. Train drivers get paid loads? It's not mundane for him, it's absolutely fascinating. Like how I would feel as a kid if I got the opportunity to work in fashion or a trendy restaurant.
As for leaving home, well once he's working you can gently give him a nudge. If you don't want him there he can't stay forever.
He's still young, and he's got his passions. He's not like you at all. But most people aren't like their parents and don't want to be.

rookiemere · 28/02/2025 12:03

Let him be.
My friends DS dropped out of important exams to get a manual job. At the time we were all shocked and sorry for her. 2 years on he loves his job is earning and contributing to his pension and my DS is at uni in the first year of a degree that he isn't applying himself to very much with doubtful career prospects at the end of it, oh and he plans to take a gap year after his 4 year course ( Scotland).

It's hard but I think the most we can hope for is that our DCs are happy and self sufficient by a certain age. What they choose to do is up to them.

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QueenOfDuisburg · 28/02/2025 12:07

My husband is a train driver. The money is good and he loves the job and the places it takes him! I think it's nice that your son is passionate about something and wants to work in that field - much better than going to uni or working in an office 'because everyone else is'!

Andagain2 · 28/02/2025 12:18

Would you prefer him to be at uni - but unhappy?

or following his passion - and happy.

he's 18 - he could turn out to to be a railways owner!

Maplewood6 · 28/02/2025 12:25

Thanks so much for everyone for all your answers and for all the amazing advice about the railways. I'm still feeling very fragile (which shows I probably should see a counsellor as my reaction is completely OTT) but your words have been very wise and insightful. And also very reassuring. The bottom line is that he has all the ingredients for a great life: a sunny disposition and a passion that gives him a direction to go in. Much to be grateful for. Thanks you all again.

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LimeQuoter · 28/02/2025 12:35

Maybe I'm wrong, but it sounds like you might have been talking to another mom who was telling you all about how her son is doing and now you feel like your efforts aren't good enough. Ya, it's happened to me too. Some mum's can make it sound like things are better than they are so they don't have to talk about the reality. But trust me, they are having their own struggles too. If not now then they will another time.

I remember after I was talking to a mum, she was telling me all about how her son never plays video games and told me about all the sports he was doing. I went home in a panic and lectured my son about getting off the computer and how such n such never plays video games. My son said, well how come I'm online playing with him now, he showed me, 'I play with him every evening'...

Another point is that, your son might be exactly on the right track for him. He could end up doing something great following his interest. There are so many examples of people who follow their interest and do great things.

In the falling behind aspect, you say you had your son on your own. Maybe it would be a good idea for him to start working, even if it is a part time job while he follows his interest. It could be nothing to do with his ability at all but instead that he can't afford/and possibly you too to support himself like he needs, due to his age. He could just need to be working right now. He can follow his passion in trains alongside that. Don't assume he's doomed to failure just yet. It sounds like you've put in a lot of work. Maybe he does need to work at the moment. It will develop him as a person regardless and there's worse things he could be doing besides working. Life is long. Some food for thought!!

LimeQuoter · 28/02/2025 12:37

And go make tea and take a day off. It will help everything sink in and help you get some perspective. You will know what to do yourself after that. You got this!

Chunkilumptious · 28/02/2025 12:52

You're a wonderful mum with aspirations who has come up the hard way. You thought you had a path roughly laid out for your son and he's gone completely another way. But it's a positive way. He knows what industry he wants to be in, he's got good hobbies, community and is happy. Support this. There are all sorts of careers on the railways, see it as like the civil service, healthcare or finance. Not going anyway and will always need people in all sorts of roles. He may go far, or he may do well in a modest niche but enjoy it. That's fine. His ambition is to work in an industry that excites him and enjoy it alongside. No bad thing. There will be apprenticeships, opportunities for study and training, promotion, all sorts within the industry. Even work abroad. It's no dead end.

Don't worry about him saying he wants to live at home for now. He's probably overwhelmed by all the change. Address it in a few years if need be. If anything, he can save up for a deposit.

He sounds a good lad. One who is a bit different from the all rounders going off to uni but that doesn't make him less great.

PoltergeistsStartLowKey · 28/02/2025 12:53

My DH is a keen trainspotter. He was a driver and then joined the BTP. He took retirement at 50 and nips off all over the place to see locomotives.

He wishes he had remained a driver as they are earning phenomenal money now in comparison and he was happier doing that for a living. He is a natural and his knowledge of geography and many many other subjects are as a result of his obsession with trains and the rail network.

Have you ever told your son that he cannot just live off you for the rest of his natural?

Growing up, Dad made us fully aware that we would be expected to learn but then earn. He would never tolerate us living at home once we were adults and while we both returned home when things went wrong for us as young adults, we always worked or learned and worked. Eventually we both got lives built around earning and made it in the world.

My nephew and his wife are struggling with their son in the same way you are OP and I can't help but feel that they have made life too comfortable for the son to the point he will probably never leave home but they have never 'put the hard word on him'. He came top of the county for marks in everything and has a string of A stars but he is a lazy entitled dickhead who will sponge off his parents forever as far as I can see and they are just going to allow it.

Maybe you need to tell him he cannot live at home and to make other arrangements. Some people need a massive kick up the arse to get them to be accountable for themselves.

WobblyWinter · 28/02/2025 12:59

Trigger Warning!

Please be careful OP.

My nephew was very like your son.

Grammar school and expectations to go on to a top uni and have a big career.

He had plans to follow his own dreams into a much more mundane job, but one he was passionate about.

His Father (my now ex brother in law) bulldozed over his son's plans and 2 years ago he started a very academic course at a university any parent would proudly boast about.

Last year he took his own life. 19 years old. A lovely, gentle lad trying to please a bullying parent. He loved and admired his Dad and was trying to please him. Couldn't tell him how miserable he was.

Please let your son be himself. Suicide rates are off the scale; especially young men. My sister is distraught and the whole family fractured.

Burntt · 28/02/2025 13:15

I would try to separate the low income childhood you had from the root of your problems. Yes money was a stress but you said there was abuse. I grew up with money and suffered abuse. I'm incredibly poor now (disabled child so I can't work and partner left) but having been abused both as a child and an adult I'd take the poverty I have now over money and abuse. You said he's a good kid, so hopefully he will treat potential future partners with respect and find a happy fulfilling relationship.

And as others have said there is still good money to be made working with trains

MsAnnFrope · 28/02/2025 13:24

OP you have done brilliantly to give yourself and your son a different life from
the one you grew up with. Don’t underestimate how
much fear and anxiety you might still be carrying from
your childhood experiences. Talking to someone about these fears and worries may help you to see you have done a great job raising a son who will follow his interests and values. No everyone was born to be academic but he sounds like if he follows his interest in the railways he will work hard. Independence doesn’t just happen at 18 and brains are still developing til 25 at least. Im
glad you have had supportive responses on here - you can feel these things and still be supportive of your son.

stichguru · 28/02/2025 13:38

Reading this made me feel really sad for your son. Stop projecting that the only things that will make your son happy are the things that make you happy, and support him making himself happy. If you looked at daily figures, I bet many railway workers make a bigger positive impact on more people, than a lot of university graduates do in their jobs.

Biscuitsnotcookies · 28/02/2025 13:50

I am assuming you are addressing your childhood with therapist and if not, I would pronto because you desperately need to do this before it causes a serious rift.

You been a snow plough parent understandably, and now he has finally got some autonomy he is expressing HIS interests and wishes. He isn’t condemned to an abusive life with no money op, just because he isn’t as driven as you.

He will grow away from you completely unless you can show some support and enthusiasm for his character and differences. Maybe a gap year working would help? Or an apprenticeship with the railways?

SoloSofa24 · 28/02/2025 13:55

My DS did a highly competitive degree at a top university and hated it. He got through, but had no interest in pursuing the kind of career path everyone else on that course was doing (finance, accountancy etc).

He is a life-long train fan, and has ended up working in the rail industry, in a job which doesn't technically require a degree, but he absolutely loves it, the pay is decent, and the travel perks are excellent (free/heavily reduced rail travel all over the place, including Europe!). He is very happy, which he would not be if he had been pressured into doing a job 'in keeping' with his academic ability.

If your son can do the same without even building up student debt and doing three years of a course he doesn't want to do, so much the better for him. I am sure he will change his mind about moving out in due course if you encourage him to build up life skills, independence and good financial habits.

Nessastats · 28/02/2025 13:57

If his adhd meds aren't working and with his intense special interest, and his inability to engage with school why are you so sure he's not autistic?

Neurodivergence is a very complex area with lots of overlapping diagnosis and symptoms. He could be both autistic and adhd. I am, which meant adhd meds didn't help me much at all - it just made my autism far more pronounced and made me more unhappy. It certainly didn't fix anything.

Suns1nE · 28/02/2025 14:02

Others may be able to correct me here but I’m sure you can actually get degrees through the railway… it’s a degree in railway operations or some such.

The railway is a hugely supportive employer that encourages progression in its workers and helps and supports them in that. I started in the gateline and am currently a guard and undergoing the testing for Train Driver. If he loves trains he’ll be in his element. Imagine getting paid to do what you love day in day out.

We all (railway workers) joke about spotters but at least half the people that work here would do it for free because they love it that much… driver on my train yesterday got out at every opportunity to take a picture of his train and the station (and he’s been a driver for 30 years so it’s not a new train he’s never seen before). I DONT love trains but I wish I was as enthusiastic as some others because that’s such an awesome position to be in!

sugarspiceandeverythingnice12 · 28/02/2025 14:06

I am assuming you are addressing your childhood with therapist and if not, I would pronto because you desperately need to do this

Agreed ^

Lindy2 · 28/02/2025 14:24

With his ADD he will very likely be younger in his mindset than his peers. Take 25% off his age. Emotionally he's around 14 so not ready to think of leaving home.

The brain is still developing upto age 25 without the added neurodiversity.

The plus points:

  • He's got some GCSEs (believe me I would love to be able to say that about my ADHD child).
  • Hopefully he'll get his A'levels
  • His hyperfixation of trains sounds pretty safe, sociable and inexpensive. It could be a lot worse.
  • He has an idea about what he wants to do next and it's sensible. Working with trains actually has a wide range of employment options.

OK so the meds don't work for him but he sounds like that doesn't bother him. My ADHD child won't take their medication at the moment because they don't like how it changes them. They don't necessarily want to be different from how they actually are. He seems to mostly be managing OK so there's no point in pushing it. He may change his mind when older and he can try something else then.

It could be a lot worse but just as a note of caution, hyperfixations do often change. Sometimes suddenly and for no reason.

Whycanineverthinkofone · 28/02/2025 16:26

Biscuitsnotcookies · 28/02/2025 13:50

I am assuming you are addressing your childhood with therapist and if not, I would pronto because you desperately need to do this before it causes a serious rift.

You been a snow plough parent understandably, and now he has finally got some autonomy he is expressing HIS interests and wishes. He isn’t condemned to an abusive life with no money op, just because he isn’t as driven as you.

He will grow away from you completely unless you can show some support and enthusiasm for his character and differences. Maybe a gap year working would help? Or an apprenticeship with the railways?

Not going to uni does not mean he is not “driven”.

there is more than one option in life. A’levels and university do not define drive and success.

one of the most successful, driven people I know went through this at 18. His family nearly had a breakdown when he chose to get a job rather than uni.

o/p’s son is clearly as driven as her, just in a different field. O/p was driven by academic success, her son’s drive lies in railways and trains.

PassingStranger · 28/02/2025 16:45

Whatisthisbs · 28/02/2025 10:03

Mundane? Undemanding ? Really!

Uni isn't the be all and end all

Exactly lots don't find jobs.

There are many boys of 18 in prison etc, so you've nothing to worry about OP.

AngelinaFibres · 02/03/2025 08:05

You were aspirational and did well because you came from trauma. Presumably a lot of people would have thought you were throwing all that away when you had a baby alone. You can't control other people. Oh and on tik tok there is a guy called Loius Borgeois who is a train spotter. He's fabulous, has millions of followers and is making a lot of money. I bet your son has heard if him.

JillMW · 02/03/2025 08:12

Try a little reframe. Many teens go to Uni and are sad or unhappy, it is not the environment for everyone and not all come out into high paying jobs. Quite a lot drop out and others keep going because they do not know what do. On graduation some get the job of their dreams but quite a lot move back home with no job or one they don’t enjoy. Others never come home because they do not like their parents.
Your son is happy, he likes you, he wants to work in an environment where he thinks he will be comfortable. He may stay in a low paid job or he may thrive and move into a higher paid role. He may be sponsored to do an apprenticeship and later day released on full pay to do an all aid for degree. Or he may change his mind and do something else.
At 21 he will have 3 years of salary saved whilst your friends children have debt. That will give him a big help with a mortgage, he may decide to move out sooner than you think.
Love and enjoy spending time with this gorgeous guy.

Mumlaplomb · 02/03/2025 08:13

OP I can relate to you, but please remember your friends will give you the highlight reels of their kids “achievements”‘and people aren’t always honest about the struggles.

Your son isn’t that into school and academics by the sounds of it.

He has another interest which gets him out into the community where he will be making contacts and connections. He’s got the people skills a lot of youngsters lack.

There are lots of ways to be successful and it sounds like your son will be, just taking a different route to you. As someone above said, look after the present so help him do his best in his A-levels then maybe look at apprenticeships he can do in the railway sector. you’d be suprised by how engaging young people can rise up through the career ranks this way.