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Struggling with DS's (18) choices - long one - sorry

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Maplewood6 · 28/02/2025 09:30

I know that I have so much to be grateful for in my DS (18). He is very happy and very popular. His life choices though are bringing me down which I know is related to my past. I had a tough upbring –parents in menial jobs where money was a major source of angst between my parents (e.g. my mum had to get solicitors involved to get housekeeping money from my dad) and my home life was emotionally and physically abusive. Every day was filled with anxiety about when/if something was going to kick off. While all this was going on, I vowed that when I had control of my life it would be entirely different to what I was going through. Luckily (or maybe because of my home life), I loved school – it was civilised and predictable unlike home and I loved learning. I was the only one in my family to go to uni, got a first at a top uni and a well paid job. I had my son on my own (100% OK with that), and he’s never gone without. He’s seen me working my socks off and with some people that instils in them a good work ethic. As I mentioned above, he’s always been popular. On leaving primary school, he got into a top secondary school (he was tutored for that but they said he was bright) and I expected everything to be plain sailing but it hasn’t. After a few years at the school, I realised that it had quite a progressive mindset (absolutely nothing about this in the open evenings/school literature) such that he was allowed to get away with not handing work in. Unlike me, he’s doesn’t have a love of learning so was quite happy with this hands off approach but it meant that he fell behind in his work, became unpopular with the teachers, then he disliked school, was even less inclined to do work etc – a vicious cycle being established. He was also unbelievably disorganised generally. GCSEs was a torturous process – it was as if he’d never been to school at all and after his GCSEs he was diagnosed with ADD (by a psychiatrist). Whilst he was going downhill at school, he got into train spotting, which became consuming and he became part of that community. It’s a full on passion which, if you’re not into trains (me), is hard to understand. Fast forward to the current day, he’s now a few months off doing A levels and massively behind as before – although not as bad as the GCSEs. He’s still a passionate train spotter spending as much time as possible doing that – literally loads of time [he definitely doesn’t have autism BTW).What I’m finding difficult is that every single one of my friends/family have children who are heading off to university and are growing up in their approach to life i.e. are looking forward to moving away from home, living independently, having their lives open up.In contrast, my DS can’t wait to leave school and has his sights set on working on the railways – that is in a mundane, undemanding job (that will allow him to see trains) and says that he’s never leaving home. It’s as if his friends lives are going to keep developing – meeting new friends etc – whereas my son’s life will be stagnating. His new friends (work colleagues) will be a bunch of mainly middle aged men. He’s a truly lovely boy (happy, affectionate) but I feel quite bereft inside.When out for lunch with a friend recently who was telling me how her son was thriving at uni both academically and in life generally (living in a house share), and how this was an important life phase, I found myself blurting out, “Oh my God, this is making me so sad” and I felt quite tearful. I’ve just spent the day yesterday with two other people and again felt really down afterwards on hearing about their children’s plans for the future – travel, uni, aspiration.One of these has a son who also has ADHD and on getting the right medication, has been transformed and almost instantly grown up. My son says his medication doesn’t work and has no interest in addressing his ADHD i.e. it took him a year to tell me that the medication he was on was not actually having any effect and he has no interest in looking at strategies that my help him life more adaptively with his ADHD symptoms. It’s like myself and my friends were all good parents but it’s paying off for them in the way their children are developing; whereas for me it hasn’t. I just feel like my escape from my childhood has been for nothing and that my son is taking himself right back there (which kills me) – a mundane job (that allows him to see trains) with low pay, and all the struggles I know that will bring as he’s used to the sort of life I’ve given him. I think the bottom line is that I’m an aspirational person so seeing a complete lack of that in my nearest and dearest is a real struggle for me. I’m not really sure why I’m posting – I suppose it’s just to have an offload. If anyone has any insights though I’m open to them.

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BorryMum · 28/02/2025 11:19

I really understand where you are coming from and for years felt like you. Hearing about all my friends kids being high achieving was difficult for me. I learnt the hard way that comparison is the thief of joy! After a lot of twists and turns my kids are now settled, happy and healthy and I wouldn't have it any other way. They didn't go to University and have both found their own way. You will feel like this for a while but it will pass and you will be glad you didn't force him down a path that is not for him, it doesn't work and creates more problems. You have been an amazing role model and mum to him and that is why he feels able to be himself and do what is right for him. He will be hard working in what ever he does as he matures and you have shown him in your actions. Give him time and just be there to support and guide him as you have always done

Mielikki · 28/02/2025 11:19

Your characterisation of working in the rail industry as ‘mundane, undemanding…’ is both woefully ignorant and deeply insulting to those who work in that industry.

it’s far less mundane then sitting behind a desk tapping at a computer and not actually using the degree you paid thousands for which is what many graduates end up doing.

Ilitetallycantrememberanythinganymore · 28/02/2025 11:21

OP., you have done s brilliant job as a parent. Your boy is only 18. We all mature at different times. He may end up working on the railways and after a couple of years realize he wants to do more or earn more or challenge himself more. The values and standards of his life and childhood are in him. He will be fine. Don't worry.

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PineappleCoconut · 28/02/2025 11:23

Our eldest was a Covid A level cohort and didn't do nearly as well as predicted. He cruised through GCSEs like many boys and thought A levels would be easy, and struggled hugely with home schooling.

He did apply to uni but didn't get any offers. And was disappointment, as were we. Only got an excellent grade in the one subject he loves, and medium passing grade in the others.

However, he managed to find himself a paid degree apprenticeship, in his preferred field, negotiate a raise after the first year, and is doing well. He's in a cheap flat share, slightly subsidised & hugely encouraged by us, as he needed the independence. His attitude & social life improved enormously after moving out.

He still compares himself negatively to his younger brother, who did study and is at uni. And I think that is on us as parents, as we both went and did always try to encourage all our children to follow our paths. But it isn't the only one. And younger brother replies that he is loaded with student debt, while he sees his big brother has money, savings, a nice car. And he wishes he had the same.

Hdjdb42 · 28/02/2025 11:24

I'd say he's succeeded in life be cause he is happy and has a job he enjoys. I'd help him save up to buy a flat to make him independent. Some parents ask for rent, save half away for 2 years. Then gift it back to help with a home deposit. He can always progress up the career ladder if he wishes to where he is. Also he is still very young, he can always retrain/go back to education later on part time.

Sayshesheshe · 28/02/2025 11:24

My husband started work at 18 as manual labour on the railways and now 20 years later he’s travelled the world with work (entirely unrelated to trains - in the entertainment industry) multiple times over, and owns two companies.

So I wouldn’t write him off just yet!

x2boys · 28/02/2025 11:25

Maplewood6 · 28/02/2025 09:30

I know that I have so much to be grateful for in my DS (18). He is very happy and very popular. His life choices though are bringing me down which I know is related to my past. I had a tough upbring –parents in menial jobs where money was a major source of angst between my parents (e.g. my mum had to get solicitors involved to get housekeeping money from my dad) and my home life was emotionally and physically abusive. Every day was filled with anxiety about when/if something was going to kick off. While all this was going on, I vowed that when I had control of my life it would be entirely different to what I was going through. Luckily (or maybe because of my home life), I loved school – it was civilised and predictable unlike home and I loved learning. I was the only one in my family to go to uni, got a first at a top uni and a well paid job. I had my son on my own (100% OK with that), and he’s never gone without. He’s seen me working my socks off and with some people that instils in them a good work ethic. As I mentioned above, he’s always been popular. On leaving primary school, he got into a top secondary school (he was tutored for that but they said he was bright) and I expected everything to be plain sailing but it hasn’t. After a few years at the school, I realised that it had quite a progressive mindset (absolutely nothing about this in the open evenings/school literature) such that he was allowed to get away with not handing work in. Unlike me, he’s doesn’t have a love of learning so was quite happy with this hands off approach but it meant that he fell behind in his work, became unpopular with the teachers, then he disliked school, was even less inclined to do work etc – a vicious cycle being established. He was also unbelievably disorganised generally. GCSEs was a torturous process – it was as if he’d never been to school at all and after his GCSEs he was diagnosed with ADD (by a psychiatrist). Whilst he was going downhill at school, he got into train spotting, which became consuming and he became part of that community. It’s a full on passion which, if you’re not into trains (me), is hard to understand. Fast forward to the current day, he’s now a few months off doing A levels and massively behind as before – although not as bad as the GCSEs. He’s still a passionate train spotter spending as much time as possible doing that – literally loads of time [he definitely doesn’t have autism BTW).What I’m finding difficult is that every single one of my friends/family have children who are heading off to university and are growing up in their approach to life i.e. are looking forward to moving away from home, living independently, having their lives open up.In contrast, my DS can’t wait to leave school and has his sights set on working on the railways – that is in a mundane, undemanding job (that will allow him to see trains) and says that he’s never leaving home. It’s as if his friends lives are going to keep developing – meeting new friends etc – whereas my son’s life will be stagnating. His new friends (work colleagues) will be a bunch of mainly middle aged men. He’s a truly lovely boy (happy, affectionate) but I feel quite bereft inside.When out for lunch with a friend recently who was telling me how her son was thriving at uni both academically and in life generally (living in a house share), and how this was an important life phase, I found myself blurting out, “Oh my God, this is making me so sad” and I felt quite tearful. I’ve just spent the day yesterday with two other people and again felt really down afterwards on hearing about their children’s plans for the future – travel, uni, aspiration.One of these has a son who also has ADHD and on getting the right medication, has been transformed and almost instantly grown up. My son says his medication doesn’t work and has no interest in addressing his ADHD i.e. it took him a year to tell me that the medication he was on was not actually having any effect and he has no interest in looking at strategies that my help him life more adaptively with his ADHD symptoms. It’s like myself and my friends were all good parents but it’s paying off for them in the way their children are developing; whereas for me it hasn’t. I just feel like my escape from my childhood has been for nothing and that my son is taking himself right back there (which kills me) – a mundane job (that allows him to see trains) with low pay, and all the struggles I know that will bring as he’s used to the sort of life I’ve given him. I think the bottom line is that I’m an aspirational person so seeing a complete lack of that in my nearest and dearest is a real struggle for me. I’m not really sure why I’m posting – I suppose it’s just to have an offload. If anyone has any insights though I’m open to them.

His GCSE,s can't have been that bad if he's gone on to do Alevels ,I say this as a parent of an 18,year old who had a disastrous year 11 missing loads of school due to ill health he's still trying to play catch up.

CerealPosterHere · 28/02/2025 11:29

If you’re anywhere near Nottingham or Derby then EMR are currently advertising for apprentice train drivers at a very good wage.

even if he doesn’t want to be a train driver I’m sure there’s other good opportunities in the industry. Sounds like he has a steady decent career plan.

CerealPosterHere · 28/02/2025 11:34

And I totally agree there’s many different career paths. I went to uni at 18yo, got an ok degree. Left uni with no idea what to do.

went into manual labouring work, including sewer repairs and road building. I’m sure my parents were horrified. Great money and I enjoyed the work. There was promotion opportunities. I might have stayed but got pregnant after a few years of that work.

i went back to uni after having my dd and now work as a senior university lecturer. Which my parents probably didn’t predict when I was busy tarmaccing 😂

Arran2024 · 28/02/2025 11:35

So much to unpick here, but for starters I would suggest you see a counsellor or therapist to be able to download safely and explore your too-big feelings here.

I adopted two children who are not remotely academic, unlike me. I had to come to accept their very different interests. I do understand your feelings of loss - I can't go to the ballet or to a theatre production unless it's a jukebox type musical with my girls. I can't discuss books with them. They don't like my films.

But this is my stuff and I have never berated them for it or expressed any disappointment. Instead I find joy in the things they like. I take one of them to Blackpool every year because she loves it and we have fun. I watch true crime documentaries with her sister.

I never ever say anything to put down their interests or make them feel I am disappointed in them. Never.

I have done quite a bit of therapy over the years- my home life was really difficult too. It's all tied together and I think it really helps to have someone to chat stuff through with.

I have had friends make disparaging comments about my daughter working in a nursery. You definitely find out what people are like when you step off the "success" conveyor belt!!

Maplewood6 · 28/02/2025 11:36

AdmiralAardvark · 28/02/2025 10:03

I understand your feelings OP, it’s okay to feel a bit sad about it, privately. But it sounds like you have a close bond with him, and he’s a happy person. You’ve done well.

Just to point out my feelings are entirely private. I've completely supported him in not going to university (given how GCSEs and A levels are it would be a total disaster) and I 1000% agree that uni isn't for everyone - I don't even think the current school system is good for everyone. After initial reservations, I've also completely supported his ambition of working on the railways as it's his life and it's up to him, although I've pointed out that income has an impact on lifestyle and that when he starts work, he will be standing on his own two feet and I won't be paying for clothes, holidays etc. I know these are my own issues entirely but even I'm surprised at how 'triggered' (hate that word) I am by him following this path rather than the ones his friends are taking. On the very plus side, he really is lovely, and is so incredibly up beat, happy and loving life which is a great thing to be able to say these days. It's all my issues entirely - I recognise that.

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WaitingForMojo · 28/02/2025 11:36

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He’s 18. Loads of people aren’t ready to leave home at 18, and most can’t afford it anyway.

He’s also ND, which will inevitably impact the decision and timing.

Maplewood6 · 28/02/2025 11:37

BorryMum · 28/02/2025 11:19

I really understand where you are coming from and for years felt like you. Hearing about all my friends kids being high achieving was difficult for me. I learnt the hard way that comparison is the thief of joy! After a lot of twists and turns my kids are now settled, happy and healthy and I wouldn't have it any other way. They didn't go to University and have both found their own way. You will feel like this for a while but it will pass and you will be glad you didn't force him down a path that is not for him, it doesn't work and creates more problems. You have been an amazing role model and mum to him and that is why he feels able to be himself and do what is right for him. He will be hard working in what ever he does as he matures and you have shown him in your actions. Give him time and just be there to support and guide him as you have always done

Thank you so much for this amazingly supportive post.

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dairydebris · 28/02/2025 11:37

He sounds lovely, and you sound lovely too.

Love the son you have, not the one you thought you wanted.

MrsMoastyToasty · 28/02/2025 11:38

There are so many jobs on the railways. FIL was a maintenance electrician, a friend works at a station in a management role, another was a train driver (including the Eurostar).

WaitingForMojo · 28/02/2025 11:38

Maplewood6 · 28/02/2025 11:36

Just to point out my feelings are entirely private. I've completely supported him in not going to university (given how GCSEs and A levels are it would be a total disaster) and I 1000% agree that uni isn't for everyone - I don't even think the current school system is good for everyone. After initial reservations, I've also completely supported his ambition of working on the railways as it's his life and it's up to him, although I've pointed out that income has an impact on lifestyle and that when he starts work, he will be standing on his own two feet and I won't be paying for clothes, holidays etc. I know these are my own issues entirely but even I'm surprised at how 'triggered' (hate that word) I am by him following this path rather than the ones his friends are taking. On the very plus side, he really is lovely, and is so incredibly up beat, happy and loving life which is a great thing to be able to say these days. It's all my issues entirely - I recognise that.

This sounds like a healthy perspective. And honestly, so many young people are struggling mental health wise atm that the happiness and self esteem he has aren’t to be sniffed at!

Maybe you’d benefit from some counselling to address what’s going on for you?

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mitogoshigg · 28/02/2025 11:39

Nothing wrong with working on the railways, if in engineering can take additional qualifications and learn on the job to post degree level too. I actually quite fancy the signalling side myself

Maplewood6 · 28/02/2025 11:39

floppybit · 28/02/2025 10:07

I really think you need to reframe this. I know people whose teenage sons spend all their time in their bedroom, have no hobbies other than gaming and are isolated, depressed and lonely. Their parents are understandably absolutely heartbroken about this. Your son knows what he wants to do with his life, has a hobby, a community of friends, will do a job he loves, this is fantastic!! He may not be like you, or have turned out how you wanted him to, but he is his own person and you can't change him. He sounds like he will have a good life!

Many thanks for this - I have so much to be grateful for I totally agree.

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MuggleMe · 28/02/2025 11:41

I think he needs to understand the expectation that living with you isn't a long-term solution. He may find the novelty of working with trains and living on the salary wears off, and you can support him with other options. Could you couch it as a gap year?

x2boys · 28/02/2025 11:42

MuggleMe · 28/02/2025 11:41

I think he needs to understand the expectation that living with you isn't a long-term solution. He may find the novelty of working with trains and living on the salary wears off, and you can support him with other options. Could you couch it as a gap year?

What exactly is wrong with working on trains?
University isn't the be all and all.

Bankholidayhelp · 28/02/2025 11:43

I agree with many previous posters.

Comparison is indeed the thief of joy

A job in the railways will be absolutely fantastic, especially if it's his passion. It can take him all over the world (building a railway in Saudi, delivering training in Canada etc etc). The pay tends to be good, even for basic roles. And so many different ones within railways - they are a microcosm of industry really. If he want's to be involved in driving, or in a ROC (Rail Operating Centre), customer services, health and safety, facilities, track maintenance, bridge building, signalling design, managing the royal train etc he's probably got a job for as long as he wants and something that continue after retirement into heritage railways as well. If he wants to just stand on the platform on log trains he's not going to last long though!.

Trainspotters aren't all grey haired balding men in grubby hivis waistcoats with pot bellies writing numbers in a book (granted there are many of this trope!). But at the other end you've got someone like Francis Bourgeois (Luke Nicolson) on tiktok https://www.tiktok.com/@francis.bourgeois/video/7475039107228372246?lang=en he must be raking it in, seems like a personable lad and undoubtedly enthusiastic

My DC don't want to leave home either - I don't necessarily see that as a bad thing if they are contributing as members of society, have friendship groups, and pay me a bit of rent!.

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x2boys · 28/02/2025 11:44

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Well no but most of us change hugely from 18 to 30/40. Maturity and all that.

MuggleMe · 28/02/2025 11:47

x2boys · 28/02/2025 11:42

What exactly is wrong with working on trains?
University isn't the be all and all.

What I meant to say is to support him to aspire beyond a low paid entry level job living at home. I agree uni might not be on the cards and agree he can build a career in trains, but uni might be a way of doing that, or an apprenticeship etc.

zoemum2006 · 28/02/2025 11:55

My dad (before he retired) and my brother work on the railways. It's not a bad job at all and there's loads of room for progression, development and good money.

Don't let your vision for your child's life spoil his dreams and plans.

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