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Awful parent’s evening

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MoSalahsBeard · 28/02/2025 07:15

We have been struggling with our son lately but the parent’s evening last night was very upsetting.

all but 2 teachers said he is distracted, doesn’t focus, and has had to be moved away from other kids.

On top of that as soon as we walked through the school gates his body language changed. He’s stuck his hands in his pockets and was walking around with a swagger. He sat in front of the teachers slumped down with his arms folded.

We found out recently he has been vaping as well.

we are despairing. We are looking in to adhd as he struggles to focus on homework at home too and we have to keep stints to 10 minutes max.

I don’t know whether to move him to another school or what. I’m so upset. What do we do?

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Devonshiregal · 28/02/2025 10:15

MoSalahsBeard · 28/02/2025 07:26

Yes he has pretty much all the traits of adhd. He can be incredibly explosive- dh and I have both had things thrown at us recently.

he plays guitar and basketball outside of school so that’s good, and we play board games etc with him. He hates reading. If he had his way he would be on his phone or he PlayStation all day but we don’t allow that.

Please don’t ‘tighten your parenting’ - be on his side. If his whole demeanour changes when he goes through the school gates don’t make him go through the school gates!

if he’s a teen and is still undiagnosed he will have lived all these years being treated (held to to standards) of someone whose brain isn’t neurologically disabled. It is a disability. And it is disabling. It is literally a government acknowledged disability.

so imagine being told your whole life that you’re doing things wrong but you don’t know why. Then that you SHOULD behave like this and you SHOULD talk like that but you’re just being yourself - what happens is you eventually decide to stop being yourself. but now you’re angry. And sad. And misunderstood. On top of that your dopamine doesn’t work properly (for want of a more elaborate medical description) so you get a kick from all the things you shouldn’t do - arguing for instance, causing reactions. plus frankly you’re angry and want to piss your teachers off.

I wrote here the other day that basically it’s like that part of your brain is stuck as a child. You don’t get any kind of satisfaction from things that other people do. You’re happy only when you’re in a fantasy world. You can’t prioritise - messy room for months then randomly decide to tidy when you’re meant to on your way to an appointment? Little habit forming ability. All these things youd see in a 6 year old child.

also, and I can’t speak for boys because I know it can be different but go on TikTok and find this is what adhd sounds like videos. Because it’s actually pretty accurate. For me it’s louder than they show on these videos but still gives a good idea. It’s very loud inside your head but you don’t think it is abnormal because it’s normal for you - medication showed me what it’s like not to have 15 different conversations and 3 songs going on inside your head all day long. How can you expect someone to concentrate when their head is full of noise?

adhd kids get told off by teachers and parents a lot more than non adhd. Their friends also notice that they are different and make comments. If your son is taking on this persona, I’d highly recommend not enforcing that this is who he is by punishing and agreeing with teachers that he is badly behaved.

of course he needs to not do harmful things, but then maybe he needs to be out of that environment and have a diagnosis pursued and have his attention put elsewhere.

it’s likely going to be super rough until he’s about 25 but you can definitely try to intervene and prevent as much as possible by being his advocate.

sorry that’s so long (and I know it’s really hard as a parent not to just want to shake them believe me I do) but from the child’s point of view the more alone you feel, the more people tell you you’re “wrong”, the more it just enforced what you’re already thinking - that you’re weird and wrong.

kittensinthekitchen · 28/02/2025 10:18

Notgoodatpoetrybutgreatatlit · 28/02/2025 08:32

@MoSalahsBeard
Just about the toilet pass. Our school and maybe a lot now, don't do old style toilet passes. All our students have to have a member of staff to take them to the toilet, this is because of a change in how safeguarding is being interpreted, basically bullying and even sexual assaults have occurred in toilets in lesson time in some schools. This is why a member of staff is on duty outside toilets at break and lunchtime.
So teachers do a quick email to the on call staff who come to collect the student. I know this seems annoying but it is much safer.
I do think it doesn't help when no one responds to emails, I aim to respond in 24 hours even if I can't do anything immediately. It's so frustrating to get no response at all.

Sorry what?
The school are having to pay for a member of staff to take high school age children to the toilet (!) because some pupils (boys?) can't keep their grubby little selves in their pants?

Nettleskeins · 28/02/2025 10:22

The stomach issues are very likely to be anxiety.

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Bringmeahigherlove · 28/02/2025 10:25

Bikechic · 28/02/2025 07:33

I don't agree with the 'tighten up your parenting' strategy for school based issues. Find out what's going on for him at school. Get him to talk. Tell him you love him and you want him to succeed. You ve found some strategies that help with homework, maybe he needs those at school. Dont need an actual diagnosis to suggest it. Maybe some root causes and solutions can be found.
talk to the inclusion person at school.

Also part of the problem with behaviour in schools. Parents seeing school and home as separate entities. That is your child still being disrespectful, regardless of the setting. It is still a parents responsibility to sanction at home. The OP has also said she has noticed these behaviours at home so it isn’t purely at school.

Sunnysideup4eva · 28/02/2025 10:25

Nettleskeins · 28/02/2025 10:22

The stomach issues are very likely to be anxiety.

How do you know? Why are you so quick to jump to anxiety 🙄
Its become everyone's favourite buzzword now. All teens have a few worries here and there it's completely normal and we shouldn't be hyping everything up as anxiety all the time. It's the highs and lows of bloody life we need to learn to live with it

Sunnysideup4eva · 28/02/2025 10:27

Bringmeahigherlove · 28/02/2025 10:25

Also part of the problem with behaviour in schools. Parents seeing school and home as separate entities. That is your child still being disrespectful, regardless of the setting. It is still a parents responsibility to sanction at home. The OP has also said she has noticed these behaviours at home so it isn’t purely at school.

Completely agree with this it would have been beneficial if OP had pulled her son up on the attitude in front of the teachers to show a united front and demonstrate her expectations to the teacher!

LadyGaGasPokerFace · 28/02/2025 10:27

I’d be annoyed that something hadn’t been said sooner than Parent’s Evening.
Does your son get lots of detentions for behaviour? Is he doing his homework?
As for vaping, I wouldn’t be giving him any pocket money any time soon.

mnreader · 28/02/2025 10:28

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trivialMorning · 28/02/2025 10:28

There are tentative linkes between gut health and ADHD.

https://augmentive.io/blog/adhd-gut-health

DS doens't always relise when he gets cold or thirsty and he did have awful issues - though they improved when I got into fermenting - I saw a TV show about it with Michael Mosley we did home made yogurt and sourdough bread and pancakes. I lost interest but did seem to sort many of DS issues out - if fact been years and many have not reoccured.

2chocolateoranges · 28/02/2025 10:30

I’d be wanting to know why his body language changed within the school grounds. People who normally have a swagger have attitude and no respect for others.

why is this happening?

Bringmeahigherlove · 28/02/2025 10:33

Sunnysideup4eva · 28/02/2025 10:27

Completely agree with this it would have been beneficial if OP had pulled her son up on the attitude in front of the teachers to show a united front and demonstrate her expectations to the teacher!

As a teacher, I agree. I understand ADHD could be on the cards.I teach a lot of students with ADHD. I am reading a lot of posts that suggest it is the school vs the parent and this isn’t the case. You both need to work together to get the best out of him and lots of strategies can be put in place without a diagnosis.

Ringgogo · 28/02/2025 10:39

Why does e stone jump to 'get a diagnosis'.

He could just be a hormonal teenager or he is facing some distressing and challenging things in school by others !

So easy to jump to ADHD etc which distractes from other issues.

tiredfeet · 28/02/2025 10:44

Similar situation here with one child

We are adding in consequences when we get bad reports home from school (eg behaviour points), and also making sure there are positive consequences when things go well. We are also making sure we do fun stuff with him at weekends etc so he isn't spending all his time with his peer group and remembers who he is under all that bravado. Keeping him busy at weekends also reduces screen time

I think continuing to ensure family is part of their world as well as school friends is key

What hobbies does he have? We suspect ADHD in our son too and waiting appointment but I find keeping him active with sports etc really helps

Treeinthesky · 28/02/2025 10:46

Adhd becomes apparent at different ages.
My youngest has always been bat shit crazy violence not focused smashing things of others and fighting since reception. Diagnosed and privately funded meds end of y4 nhs services now and she's y5 amazing honestly they are. Wear of at 6pm (concerta) and back to hand stands in the living room.and just bat shit crazy lol (wouldn't change her though)

My eldest is 15 and always struggled.wjth focus id say inattentive adhd but we'll behaved at school and sits on a cloud all day lol her response not mine. Meds are helping.

I have always been mind busy and pmdd and very bad rejection sensitivity dysphoria after realising my kids had adhd i turned to myself and I'm amazing now I really am. So people who say it doesn't arrive at 14 no it doesn't it becomes more noticeable at different times. Get him medicated adhd 360 are good. See how it goes.

Neverenoughbiscuits · 28/02/2025 10:58

Having left a job as HOY this thread really resonates with me. I started my role with huge amounts of empathy and patience. It was worn down in the end by parents who feel it is the school's responsibility to parent they're child who, whilst they may experience some challenges, is also displaying disrespectful behaviour as shown by the change in demeanor.

I was so overwhelmed by the level of need, I had to leave for my own sanity in the end. Schools have a finite resource. I got an hour at my desk during the day if I was lucky - that was to deal with everything from serious safeguarding issues to multiple parent emails about their DC who couldn't follow some basic instructions.

Some take aways from my experience:

  • Giving a toilet pass to a challenging student is a disaster. They will abuse the pass - demand to use the toilet and up and leave whenever they like with a "you can't stop me attitude". They will the take the long way round to the toilet, they will spend longer on their phone than using the toilet and then they will re-enter the lesson and demand that to be caught up on what is going on "RIGHT NOW". When the teacher asks them to wait at any point during these scenarios they will go home and say "I wasn't allowed to use the toilet" or "they wouldn't help me with my work". Parents will then email in and expect a reply straight away and I would have to waste my time trying to craft an email which pacified their concerns whilst knowing that actually their child is just rude and disrespectful.

*So many kids have "digestives issues". Of course they do, they don't eat any real food. "We have a home cooked meal everyday" - great but on the way to school they're drinking a can of monster and all they eat at school is utter shite.

I have worked in many challenging environments with some exceptionally vulnerable and challenging people (prisons/drugs charities). It was school that broke me. It made me despair for the future.

Rockingroll · 28/02/2025 10:58

Ringgogo · 28/02/2025 10:39

Why does e stone jump to 'get a diagnosis'.

He could just be a hormonal teenager or he is facing some distressing and challenging things in school by others !

So easy to jump to ADHD etc which distractes from other issues.

I totally agree. Behaviour in schools has deteriorated so much because parents are always looking for a reason to justify behaviour. Some kids have ADHD some are simply 14, see what others get away with and join in. They have lost sight of what good Beauvoir is and if they’re not as badly behaved as others they think it’s ok. We as parents have a responsibility to teach our children they don’t run to their own rules

By the way, I have another child with ADHD and autism and so I am not blind to it.

Adropintheocean1 · 28/02/2025 11:06

Literally sounds like a 14 year old boy. High school puts pressure on kids to ‘act’ a certain way I think. They grow out of it, thankfully.

Justonemorecoffeeplease · 28/02/2025 11:07

Hello OP. Firstly, the good thing is you are involved and supportive - you'd be surprised how many parents couldn't give a toss. Keep the lines of communication open with him so he can talk to you. I've taught in secondary for many years so hopefully I can give you some informed advice.

You have every right to contact his pastoral head again. Perhaps ask for a phone call or a meeting. They should be open to this as you are looking to support rather than criticise. Do you also have communication with the SENCO? If not ask for that so you can move forward with a possible diagnosis - be warned it takes AGES and the threshold is high to qualify for anything. This way you are advocating for your son and trying to help all involved. Keep calling if they don't reply.

Reading is crucial to help students access the curriculum but it doesn't have to be a book. Are there any magazines/ blogs etc. that might interest him. There's loads of quality stuff online. There are some great podcasts out there too which might help expand his vocabulary. Just make sure they have some substance rather than just someone spouting opinion as facts. Particularly strong areas for this are History/Sport/Entertainment just google for some suggestions. I'm often putting these on the homework platform for my pupils as an additional task to help with their general knowledge etc.

Be crystal clear with him re what he'll lose access to if he doesn't try at school. The key word is try. Then you are rewarding effort rather than expecting academic excellence. When he is ready to talk take the opportunity. I've learnt the hard way that although I might not want a conversation with my teen just before bed that might be when they will!

My own 15 year old is quite often moody and rude at home and also finds school a challenge. Homework is something you'll need to work on for his age I imagine they are expecting a lot more than 10 minutes - I'm not criticising here just letting you know.

@Notgoodatpoetrybutgreatatlit has made some really useful points too.

Good luck OP it isn't easy parenting a teen but it sounds like you are doing a good job.

jellyfishperiwinkle · 28/02/2025 11:09

Andagain2 · 28/02/2025 08:25

Honestly, I think he needs support - he's feeling inferior so trying to 'big' himself up. Speak to SEN department - he might have ADHD and its a knock for your confidence when you can't do what seems like basic stuff. Don't knock him further by trying to punish him - get to the bottom of why the attitutre.

That's it in a nutshell. Probably about 99.9% of acting out for boys too.

gladtidingss · 28/02/2025 11:11

I also despair for the future reading the nonsense from the don't punish him, ADHD gang and their rejection sensitiviy dysphoria bollocks - what does that mean, you don't like rejection Newsflash: none of us do. We simply can't carry on this way with everyone pathologising everything and seeing themselves and their offspring as in need of special treatment. Schools can't function, teachers are leaving in droves because .

His behaviour is not "classic ADHD" it is "classic teenage boy". He;ll probably grow out of it but if you give him a label to excuse himself he won't have any reason even to try. You need to be a stricter parent and you should have called him out. Own it.

EndlessTreadmill · 28/02/2025 11:13

Nettleskeins · 28/02/2025 10:11

I say this whenever I can because my children were all affected by this....check his vitamin D levels!!!!
Multivitamins don't usually have enough to top up a deficiency if long established.
My 17 year old needed a loading dose of 10,000 iu at this time of year...prescribed by doctor when I found his levels were through the floor....I wish I had known this might have been the reason for his difficulties at 14...impulsive lazy anxious irritable...ds also had a diagnosis dyspraxia at 13.

How did you find this out - did you go the the GP and demand a blood sample analysis?

Wishyouwerehere50 · 28/02/2025 11:18

HappyMummaOfOne · 28/02/2025 08:01

I am so confused. How have you jumped from one bad parents evening where the teaches have said your child is distracted to suddenly you think he must have ADHD???? Are you just trying to find “a reason” that your child isn’t doing well and if so let’s jump on the ADHD bandwagon 🙄
My Nephew has ADHD and it presented itself very early on when he was little and didn’t wait until he was 14 and the wasn’t interested in school 🙄

Stop.

There's more that OP senses and sees and she just hasn't written every detail on here. Not all present as you experience with your family.

OP, you will be best served just going straight to private yourself. Find your own assessor. School are notorious at this age for not helping, being obstructive so just forget even asking them. A good assessor will consult them directly as part of the assessment.

You can't access medication without the diagnosis. They are blocking and putting people on wait lists for years right now.

BlitheSpirits · 28/02/2025 11:20

Thym3L3af · 28/02/2025 08:25

Newsflash ADHD can often be diagnosed later and not everybody presents the same. Like autism it can be masked too My dc were diagnosed at 17, 20 and 21. I was as diagnosed at 56.

was it diagnosed privately? there was a documentary a couple of years back which proved that all the private clinics they investigated gave EVERYBODY an ADHD diagnosis!

tobee · 28/02/2025 11:21

MoSalahsBeard · 28/02/2025 08:14

He’s also having stomach problems- diarrhea etc. waiting to see the dr about that. I asked the head of year for a toilet pass on Monday and still have not had an answer about that.

Sorry haven't read full thread but these symptoms can apparently also be related to ADHD. Worth checking both of these things.

ItGhoul · 28/02/2025 11:22

On top of that as soon as we walked through the school gates his body language changed. He’s stuck his hands in his pockets and was walking around with a swagger. He sat in front of the teachers slumped down with his arms folded.

This is normal 14-year-old boy behaviour.

He hates reading. If he had his way he would be on his phone or he PlayStation all day

This is also normal 14-year-old boy behaviour.

Yes, it's possible your child might have ADHD but most of what you describe also describes a teenage boy with raging hormones who finds school boring.

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