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Afterlife past life next life

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reallynormal · 07/02/2025 11:48

Morning mumsnet 💐 has you can tell im bored today.
As title says do you believe in any of it.
Afterlife.
Past lifes.
Next life.
I was raised to think that we live we die we are reborn in the next life.
What we do in this life will follow us to the next.
As an adult i dont believe this but its nice to think so.

OP posts:
Minnie59 · 09/02/2025 15:35

@Goody2ShoesAndTheFilthyBeast
There's only one true God.No one created God.God is eternal.There's no God's God's God or whatever you're thinking lol.

There is no god ˹worthy of worship˺ except Him, the Ever-Living, All-Sustaining. Neither drowsiness nor sleep overtakes Him. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. Who could possibly intercede with Him without His permission? He ˹fully˺ knows what is ahead of them and what is behind them, but no one can grasp any of His knowledge—except what He wills ˹to reveal˺. His Seat encompasses the heavens and the earth, and the preservation of both does not tire Him. For He is the Most High, the Greatest."

Minnie59 · 09/02/2025 15:47

God is one.
God is neither male nor female.
God is eternal, was not born nor does Allah birth.
God is the Lord of all creation, religions, people, worlds, and universes.
Nothing happens except with God's permission.
Infinitely merciful, but also has a wrath.
Creator of good and evil.
Perceives all vision, but vision does not perceive God.Well acquainted with everyone, knows everyone more than they know themselves.
Master of Judgement Day.
Provider to all.
Merciful and Especially Merciful.
Knows everything, even a single leaf and its entire story, and even its prayers.
If you prayed to God,God would respond immediately.
If you repented God would forgive, and it wouldn't even matter what you did.
If you continue to disbelieve but need help, God will help despite you continuing to disbelieve.
If you disbelieve in God, God will still aid you.
If you forget God completely, God still remembers you.
And, yet, God does not need anyone. If all of the creation were to hate God it wouldn't take from his Kingdom anymore than a drop of water takes from the ocean.
If all of you were to love God it wouldn't add to his kingdom anymore than a drop of water adds to the ocean.
Yet, God is ever patient with his creation.
God is the one and only, the first and the last, everything everything - will die/ come to an end, and only God will remain.
God is the greatest.

Breathinglife · 09/02/2025 16:31

WeGotCows · 09/02/2025 15:14

If practiced properly it does stop people doing bad things. You are equating belief in God and then their bad actions as proof it doesn't stop people.

This is demonstrably untrue. What about the abuse scandals in the Catholic Church? Doesn’t just stop at the SAing priests, we also have many children badly treated in catholic schools, catholic mother and baby homes in Ireland.

I believe in spirituality, but I do not believe in religion, which is used to perform atrocities in the name of god. Look at the way women are treated and controlled in many religious cultures - can’t show their skin or hair, cannot lead normal fulfilling lives, can’t get educated in some countries.

The people who conducted the abuse were not God conscious.

It is God consciousness not just belief. Anyone can believe but to be God conscious is another higher level.

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BadSil · 09/02/2025 18:12

Minnie59 · 09/02/2025 15:47

God is one.
God is neither male nor female.
God is eternal, was not born nor does Allah birth.
God is the Lord of all creation, religions, people, worlds, and universes.
Nothing happens except with God's permission.
Infinitely merciful, but also has a wrath.
Creator of good and evil.
Perceives all vision, but vision does not perceive God.Well acquainted with everyone, knows everyone more than they know themselves.
Master of Judgement Day.
Provider to all.
Merciful and Especially Merciful.
Knows everything, even a single leaf and its entire story, and even its prayers.
If you prayed to God,God would respond immediately.
If you repented God would forgive, and it wouldn't even matter what you did.
If you continue to disbelieve but need help, God will help despite you continuing to disbelieve.
If you disbelieve in God, God will still aid you.
If you forget God completely, God still remembers you.
And, yet, God does not need anyone. If all of the creation were to hate God it wouldn't take from his Kingdom anymore than a drop of water takes from the ocean.
If all of you were to love God it wouldn't add to his kingdom anymore than a drop of water adds to the ocean.
Yet, God is ever patient with his creation.
God is the one and only, the first and the last, everything everything - will die/ come to an end, and only God will remain.
God is the greatest.

So nothing can come from nothing except God? God exists without having been created. But nothing else can exist without having been created. That's illogical.

People who believe in God can do evil and religion is about the excertion of control. People who don't believe in God can do evil and government is about the excertion of control. God will allow Christians, Jews and Muslims into heaven but also people who didn't believe in God and followed no religious practice at all. Then what is the point.

God can forgive people heinous acts in some religions. The religions often contradict each other. Some religions are newer than others so what was happening to the souls of the billions of people who went before.

BadSil · 09/02/2025 18:13

Breathinglife · 09/02/2025 16:31

The people who conducted the abuse were not God conscious.

It is God consciousness not just belief. Anyone can believe but to be God conscious is another higher level.

Can you describe how one might become God conscious?

Minnie59 · 09/02/2025 18:21

@BadSil Islam is a bit different to Christianity on certian issues.
We as Muslims don't believe in the concept of orginal sin, we as Muslims believe instead that every human being is born with a pure heart free of sin. However, due to humans being a weak creation we are bound to commit sins no matter how pious a person is.
Therefore, Allah (swt) insteads holds the sinner accountable for his own actions depending on the severity of the sin.
And in Islam we have a ranking system for sins which is divided into two parts:
Minor Sins:
These sins are usually small in maginitude and the most common. So examples of minor sins would be something like lying, swearing, rude behaviour, littering, disturbing animals.
And to be forgiven for minor sins is relatively easy. All a person must do is ask directly to God for forgiveness and promise to change. And if he does change Allah (swt) would forgive him just like that.
Major Sins:
These sins are big in magnitude and these sins include sins like murder, rape, adultery, gambling, giving or taking interest, selling or using drugs/alcohol
And if repentance is done correctly then these sins can also be forgiven, in the case where you harm someone. You need to show regret for your actions and repent to Allah (swt) and then you need to seek forgiveness to the one you harmed or the family of the person you harmed. And the victim of your actions could give you his forgiveness at a price wether through blood money (paying the victim compensation for the harm you caused) or acepting punishment (going to jail or acepting death sentance) willingly for your actions.
And If the victim forgives you then Allah (swt) would forgive you for your actions, and If the victim doesn't and you tried you best to reconcile with the victim then also Allah (swt) would forgive you if he feels you have the right intention for justice.
And for the people who have no regret and ask for forgivness it's highly unlikely that person would be forgiven. Or if he has regret but doesn't ask for forgiveness due to arrogance.
Allah (swt) forgives all sins except shirk (associating partners with Allah e.g Allah has a son, Allah is an animal or Allah is a man). If the right apporach is followed.

Minnie59 · 09/02/2025 18:24

@BadSil God-consciousness is an essence of spirituality and the ultimate goal of a believer.It refers to being aware of God in every aspect of life, striving to obey His commands, and avoiding His prohibitions. It is not merely fear of God but a deep sense of love, reverence, and accountability that drives a believer to live righteously.

Minnie59 · 09/02/2025 18:37

@BadSil it's impossible for the human mind to grasp that God exists without having been created.Because we aren't given that much knowledge by the creator. We are given very little knowledge for example,we don't exactly know when we will die.Nobody knows except the creator.

In brief, no matter how hard we strive to do so, we cannot possibly come to grasp the extent of God's knowledge, because it is unlimited. We can comprehend it only as far as God permits us to do so: “Allah, there is no god but Him, the Living, the Self-Sustaining. He is not subject to drowsiness or sleep.

BadSil · 09/02/2025 18:41

@Minnie59 thanks for answering so patiently. I was born with no religion. And as I said earlier in the thread I am agnostic. I don't believe that it is possible to prove or disprove the existence of a god or creator. I have no faith. Sometimes I wish I did have a faith because I know lots of very happy, devout people who are part of a readily available community. But I can not conjure faith where there is none. It does seem as though atrocities in the name of organised religions are becoming more and more prevalent and this angers and frightens me. I appreciate your answers though even if I don't share your beliefs.

SleepyHippy3 · 09/02/2025 18:44

I will not be part of Judgement day, because I don’t believe in your god, and therefore “he” can’t hold me to account for anything. Religion and a belief in its god is a subjective experience , so just because you think it’s true doesn’t make it true. To go round telling other non believers that they either believe in your god or they will suffer for eternity is so very unkind.

You say society needs some sort of control, but in this day and age why should it be controlled by religion and holy men, (and it’s always men)?. It’s 2025, why should Iron Age religions be in any way be controlling and running society? I absolutely believe that every one’s right to practice any religion they want, should be protected and respected, but it’s time to actively work towards building a society where there is a separation of state and church/religion.

Minnie59 · 09/02/2025 18:44

@BadSil no problem.Thanks for reading it patiently.

Minnie59 · 09/02/2025 18:46

SleepyHippy3 · 09/02/2025 18:44

I will not be part of Judgement day, because I don’t believe in your god, and therefore “he” can’t hold me to account for anything. Religion and a belief in its god is a subjective experience , so just because you think it’s true doesn’t make it true. To go round telling other non believers that they either believe in your god or they will suffer for eternity is so very unkind.

You say society needs some sort of control, but in this day and age why should it be controlled by religion and holy men, (and it’s always men)?. It’s 2025, why should Iron Age religions be in any way be controlling and running society? I absolutely believe that every one’s right to practice any religion they want, should be protected and respected, but it’s time to actively work towards building a society where there is a separation of state and church/religion.

I'm not forcing you to believe in God.You can do as you wish.I'm just sharing because I'm asked about it.

SleepyHippy3 · 09/02/2025 18:47

Breathinglife · 09/02/2025 13:07

If practiced properly it does stop people doing bad things. You are equating belief in God and then their bad actions as proof it doesn't stop people.

It is God consciousness not just belief. Anyone can believe but to be God conscious is another higher level.

If people do what they want, there is no escape from the day of judgement where everyone will be held accountable for their actions.

It is balancing God consciousness with accountability.

Every society needs some sort of control. We have police and laws. Otherwise there would be anarchy. Control does not necessarily have to be a bad thing.

I will not be part of Judgement day, because I don’t believe in your god, and therefore “he” can’t hold me to account for anything. Religion and a belief in its god is a subjective experience , so just because you think it’s true doesn’t make it true. To go round telling other non believers that they either believe in your god or they will suffer for eternity is so very unkind.
You say society needs some sort of control, but in this day and age why should it be controlled by religion and holy men, (and it’s always men)?. It’s 2025, why should Iron Age religions be in any way be controlling and running society? I absolutely believe that every one’s right to practice any religion they want, should be protected and respected, but it’s time to actively work towards building a society where there is a separation of state and church/religion.

bullclip · 09/02/2025 18:50

I think its possible that we go on in some way, such as our consciousness returning to a larger universal consciousness but I don't think we continue to exist in any recognisable human way as individuals with personal memories and personalities.

SleepyHippy3 · 09/02/2025 18:50

Minnie59 · 09/02/2025 15:25

@Goody2ShoesAndTheFilthyBeast first tell me who created you ? Who created this world ?

Who created god?

SleepyHippy3 · 09/02/2025 18:52

Breathinglife · 09/02/2025 16:31

The people who conducted the abuse were not God conscious.

It is God consciousness not just belief. Anyone can believe but to be God conscious is another higher level.

What is this higher level and who told you that this is the definitive truth about god?

Minnie59 · 09/02/2025 18:52

@SleepyHippy3 it's impossible for the human mind to grasp that God exists without having been created.Because we aren't given that much knowledge by the creator. We are given very little knowledge for example,we don't exactly know when we will die.Nobody knows except the creator.

In brief, no matter how hard we strive to do so, we cannot possibly come to grasp the extent of God's knowledge, because it is unlimited. We can comprehend it only as far as God permits us to do so

SleepyHippy3 · 09/02/2025 18:55

Minnie59 · 09/02/2025 18:46

I'm not forcing you to believe in God.You can do as you wish.I'm just sharing because I'm asked about it.

I was responding to @Breathinglife .

Goody2ShoesAndTheFilthyBeast · 09/02/2025 19:08

Minnie59 · 09/02/2025 15:25

@Goody2ShoesAndTheFilthyBeast first tell me who created you ? Who created this world ?

Me personally? My parents created me. Two people had sex. Sperm met egg and the result implanted in the female's womb, a foetus grew, a baby was born and I am here.

If you mean generally, historically, who created life then the shit swirling around in the Universe has been crashing about and making things out of other things for billions of years .

I dont believe some being sat down one day and said ok, im going to make Goody. Here i go...

so back to my question. who created god? If you don't want to or can't answer my question and that's why you're throwing one back it doesn't matter. It's OK to say you don't know. That's what faith is after all. Belief without facts or proof. You don't need to deflect by asking me another question. If you don't have an answer about the idea of God's God its fine.

Minnie59 · 09/02/2025 19:10

@Goody2ShoesAndTheFilthyBeast okay fine who created sperm ? Your parents ?

Minnie59 · 09/02/2025 19:13

@Goody2ShoesAndTheFilthyBeast I've already replied to your question see my previous post. I do have plenty to say.

Minnie59 · 09/02/2025 19:14

@Goody2ShoesAndTheFilthyBeast Now please tell me who created sperm ?😐

Goody2ShoesAndTheFilthyBeast · 09/02/2025 19:26

Minnie59 · 09/02/2025 19:14

@Goody2ShoesAndTheFilthyBeast Now please tell me who created sperm ?😐

testicle create sperm.

I don't believe that there's a someone who creates things on a daily basis so there's really no point keep going who created sperm
Testicles
Who created testicles
Because I don't believe in creation. I believe in evolution over billions and billions of years.

I'll have to go back and try to find your post about whether you believe something created god, who created god, and why you don't worship God's God. I must have missed it. I'll go back and find it then come back.

Minnie59 · 09/02/2025 19:28

@Goody2ShoesAndTheFilthyBeast this is what I was waiting to hear just because you don't believe doesn't mean that there's no creator.

Bbq1 · 09/02/2025 19:28

I'm on the fence re: reincarnation some past life regressions are really convincing. What bothers me though is why would some people be sent back as a disabled child or something similar?
I'm not as afraid of dying (and I've been close to death, twice in my life) as i am of what comes after. I believe in the afterlife, I think but I am terrified of nothingness, of just an abyss. Now people say it would be like oblivion but I just can't imagine that and feel like I would just be floating around aware of the nothingness. It's also horrible to think that you go and it's almost like you never existed.

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