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Afterlife past life next life

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reallynormal · 07/02/2025 11:48

Morning mumsnet 💐 has you can tell im bored today.
As title says do you believe in any of it.
Afterlife.
Past lifes.
Next life.
I was raised to think that we live we die we are reborn in the next life.
What we do in this life will follow us to the next.
As an adult i dont believe this but its nice to think so.

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SleepyHippy3 · 08/02/2025 19:02

Minnie59 · 08/02/2025 19:01

@SleepyHippy3 ok,how did the other living creatures come into existence?Did they come out of nowhere ?

Billions of years of evolution.

SleepyHippy3 · 08/02/2025 21:24

Breathinglife · 08/02/2025 18:43

Yes I believe in the afterlife. Otherwise what was the purpose of this life?

Everything in the earth and skies was not created for nothing.

I believe in the day of judgement too when all wrongs will be righted and people will finally get justice.

We are accountable for what we do in our lives. No one gets away with anything. ultimately.

In Christianity, broadly speaking, Church doctrine tells us that if you truly repent all your sins and wrongdoings, and accept Jesus as your saviour, on Judgement day you will enter heaven, no matter how badly you have sinned.

Hebrews 8:12 “For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more”.

So here, in this scenario, the worst, most sadistic, evil person can claim repentance and accept Jesus as their saviour and enter heaven. But in exactly the same situation, a really decent, kind and loving human being, but who has actively rejected Jesus and his message, will end up in hell. Why would anyone want to believe in such in such a clearly unfair judgement day? In such a scenario all wrongs clearly wouldn’t be righted, and many people will not get justice because awful people have simply repented and get a pass to heaven. So really good people will suffer unimaginably simply because they didn’t want to follow Jesus. It’s very much a “worship me or else” doctrine.

Frillysweetpea · 08/02/2025 21:39

getearnow · 07/02/2025 18:48

This is really interesting, I've never thought of this before but I like this idea.

Memories are a feature of normal brain function/being alive. I had a TGA due to cold water swimming a few years ago - lost my memory for 6 hours. It was almost exactly like when I was anaesthetised for an op. There is no real sense of self or life without memory. When your brain dies, I'm pretty sure that's it, everything is over.

Interested in this thread?

Then you might like threads about this subject:

Breathinglife · 08/02/2025 21:55

SleepyHippy3 · 08/02/2025 21:24

In Christianity, broadly speaking, Church doctrine tells us that if you truly repent all your sins and wrongdoings, and accept Jesus as your saviour, on Judgement day you will enter heaven, no matter how badly you have sinned.

Hebrews 8:12 “For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more”.

So here, in this scenario, the worst, most sadistic, evil person can claim repentance and accept Jesus as their saviour and enter heaven. But in exactly the same situation, a really decent, kind and loving human being, but who has actively rejected Jesus and his message, will end up in hell. Why would anyone want to believe in such in such a clearly unfair judgement day? In such a scenario all wrongs clearly wouldn’t be righted, and many people will not get justice because awful people have simply repented and get a pass to heaven. So really good people will suffer unimaginably simply because they didn’t want to follow Jesus. It’s very much a “worship me or else” doctrine.

Edited

There isn't only the concept of judgment day in Christianity.

God is fair and just so no one will be wronged on the day of judgement.

Also what defines 'really good people'?

SleepyHippy3 · 08/02/2025 22:26

If a person rejects Jesus, rejects god, but are otherwise a good and decent human beings, what will happen to them on judgement day?

“Really good people” Kind, caring, considerate of others, helpful to others, fair, wanting to do the right thing, accountable for their own actions, compassionate, emphatic - and a million other qualities that make some one a good human being.

LostittoBostik · 08/02/2025 22:31

SleepyHippy3 · 08/02/2025 22:26

If a person rejects Jesus, rejects god, but are otherwise a good and decent human beings, what will happen to them on judgement day?

“Really good people” Kind, caring, considerate of others, helpful to others, fair, wanting to do the right thing, accountable for their own actions, compassionate, emphatic - and a million other qualities that make some one a good human being.

I don't believe in god, but the New Testament is fairly clearly that judgement is based on actions not public pronunciations.

I have met many, many "Christians" who are the rich man in the camel/needle proverb. Which is one of the main reasons I lost my faith.

Minnie59 · 08/02/2025 22:34

@SleepyHippy3 I've taken this from another forum.
A simple way to think about it:
Imagine you're a good person to everyone, you carry out charity, do good in everything you do, however, when it comes to your own mother who has been kind to you since birth and raised you to be the good person you are and took care of you throughout your life, you mistreat her and are not grateful to her at all for anything. Rather you attribute your upbringing and everything to other factors. Is such a person who is kind to everyone but horrible to their mother really a good person?
God and Allah is infinitely times greater of praise and worship than everything that exists. The one who created you so that you may worship Him. Everyone to whom the message of Islam has been delivered to, the message to submit to their creator and obey the commands of the one who has blessed them with many blessings, reject the message out of arrogance or willful ignorance to rather pursue their desires are surely not deserving of not going to hell.
Edit:
Also to mention, good people that never had exposure to the true message of Islam are judged differently and Allah knows best of their fate: https://islamqa.info/en/answers/1244/the-fate-of-kuffaar-who-did-not-hear-the-message-of-islamm_

Elissaisnotmyname · 09/02/2025 04:07

Bignanna · 08/02/2025 15:00

Me too, but as a house cat, it’s safer, eat, sleep, poo!

I have a house cat and his life is perfect😻

Breathinglife · 09/02/2025 08:06

SleepyHippy3 · 08/02/2025 22:26

If a person rejects Jesus, rejects god, but are otherwise a good and decent human beings, what will happen to them on judgement day?

“Really good people” Kind, caring, considerate of others, helpful to others, fair, wanting to do the right thing, accountable for their own actions, compassionate, emphatic - and a million other qualities that make some one a good human being.

If God is rejected, what value do the other things hold? To disregard the Creator shows ingratitude.

Accountable for their own actions - according to themselves? If people take themselves as guidance then people will justify everything and anything.

WandsOut · 09/02/2025 08:15

Minnie59 · 08/02/2025 19:02

Sorry I'm leaving coz I can't find the answer to my question on this thread.Nobody seems to know.

GrinGrinGrinGrin

SleepyHippy3 · 09/02/2025 08:38

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BigBoysDontCry · 09/02/2025 09:15

Breathinglife · 09/02/2025 08:06

If God is rejected, what value do the other things hold? To disregard the Creator shows ingratitude.

Accountable for their own actions - according to themselves? If people take themselves as guidance then people will justify everything and anything.

I'm sorry what?!

There are billions of people who manage to be (and raise) upstanding citizens of the world with morals and standards that are vastly higher than the standards of many that belonging to a religion seem to perpetuate.

Being "god fearing" doesn't seem to stop them murdering, raping, attacking, stabbing, bombing, assaulting children, abusing women etc does it?

And before anyone comments, I'm not picking on any particular religion and yes, I know that there are also billions of people in the world who are religious who also live decently and raise decent people.

I mean, it's almost like it's of no consequence whether you believe or not right?

Breathinglife · 09/02/2025 09:34

BigBoysDontCry · 09/02/2025 09:15

I'm sorry what?!

There are billions of people who manage to be (and raise) upstanding citizens of the world with morals and standards that are vastly higher than the standards of many that belonging to a religion seem to perpetuate.

Being "god fearing" doesn't seem to stop them murdering, raping, attacking, stabbing, bombing, assaulting children, abusing women etc does it?

And before anyone comments, I'm not picking on any particular religion and yes, I know that there are also billions of people in the world who are religious who also live decently and raise decent people.

I mean, it's almost like it's of no consequence whether you believe or not right?

I am not saying just because you are of a religion that it will stop you doing bad things. Believing in God doesn't necessarily make you a good person. That is why people will be judged according to their actions.

God consciousness will stop you doing bad things. Being aware of your accountability to God will prevent abusing, murdering etc.

Again it depends how you define morals and standards. According to who? The people themselves?

BigBoysDontCry · 09/02/2025 09:39

I don't believe in god. I know there is no god. What stops me doing bad things?

If those people believe in god and still do bad things then clearly that's no deterrent.

So we are back to same point. Religion doesn't have a role in forming decent society. It only has a role for those who choose to believe as, I'm presuming, some sort of comfort or maybe an excuse for their behaviour.

Breathinglife · 09/02/2025 11:45

I am not saying just because you are of a religion or you believe in God that it will stop you doing bad things. Believing in God doesn't necessarily make you a good person. That is why people will be judged according to their actions.

God consciousness will stop you doing bad things. Being aware of your accountability to God will prevent abusing, murdering etc.

Religion has a huge role in forming a decent society. If you look at the fundamentals of most religions, they promote harmony and tolerance. Guidelines are given to help in this process.

BigBoysDontCry · 09/02/2025 12:43

God consciousness will stop you doing bad things. Being aware of your accountability to God will prevent abusing, murdering etc.

But it doesn't, that's the point.

You keep repeating that being a believer and knowing you face judgement stops bad behaviour but it doesn't. Maybe it just gives bad people a place to hide and manipulate or maybe they just think they can do what they want and then repent and get everlasting life. Who knows? The fact is that there are plenty of people of god in jail or out and about commiting crime and plenty of folk who don't believe, have no interest etc etc that live perfectly good lives.

If you look at the fundamentals of most religions, they promote harmony and tolerance.

This is not true either. Early religions did exactly the opposite. They are full of vengeance and rage and intolerance. Society developed and religion followed suit. As many (not all) religions matured, they began to set a different set of guidelines for society but I'd wager that that was more about spreading the ability to control and therefore changing the message to suit the type of control that leaders wanted. It is certainly easier to control people who you've encouraged not to be violent than ones that you've encouraged to do the opposite.

Breathinglife · 09/02/2025 13:07

BigBoysDontCry · 09/02/2025 12:43

God consciousness will stop you doing bad things. Being aware of your accountability to God will prevent abusing, murdering etc.

But it doesn't, that's the point.

You keep repeating that being a believer and knowing you face judgement stops bad behaviour but it doesn't. Maybe it just gives bad people a place to hide and manipulate or maybe they just think they can do what they want and then repent and get everlasting life. Who knows? The fact is that there are plenty of people of god in jail or out and about commiting crime and plenty of folk who don't believe, have no interest etc etc that live perfectly good lives.

If you look at the fundamentals of most religions, they promote harmony and tolerance.

This is not true either. Early religions did exactly the opposite. They are full of vengeance and rage and intolerance. Society developed and religion followed suit. As many (not all) religions matured, they began to set a different set of guidelines for society but I'd wager that that was more about spreading the ability to control and therefore changing the message to suit the type of control that leaders wanted. It is certainly easier to control people who you've encouraged not to be violent than ones that you've encouraged to do the opposite.

If practiced properly it does stop people doing bad things. You are equating belief in God and then their bad actions as proof it doesn't stop people.

It is God consciousness not just belief. Anyone can believe but to be God conscious is another higher level.

If people do what they want, there is no escape from the day of judgement where everyone will be held accountable for their actions.

It is balancing God consciousness with accountability.

Every society needs some sort of control. We have police and laws. Otherwise there would be anarchy. Control does not necessarily have to be a bad thing.

Minnie59 · 09/02/2025 13:09

@Breathinglife 💯 I agree.

Minnie59 · 09/02/2025 13:11

@Breathinglife your last point was very logical.

BigBoysDontCry · 09/02/2025 13:44

I'm beginning to think i'm debating with a bot of some sort. However, of course society has some control on it's citizens. However those people exerting the control are representatives of a democratic process designed to serve the population. Not control through fear of eternal retribution. And obvs that doesn't stop people doing bad things either.

There is a big difference between people we've elected and employed to exert control on people in this life and people who use religion to spread control about what might happen to them when they die (whether that person believes it or not). You cannot equate the control exerted by the taliban or even that of the catholic church back in the day or whatever religion you choose, to the system designed to mete out punishment and deterrents to peoples behaviours in the here and now.

Anyway, I'm being a good citizen and painting my woodwork in the kitchen and it's ready for another coat so I'll go do that and no doubt get my reward in heaven.... 🙄

Goody2ShoesAndTheFilthyBeast · 09/02/2025 13:45

Minnie. Who created God?
If things can't come from nothing and the magnificence of the universe must have been created then who created a being capable of creating a universe?
Shouldn't people worship God's God?
Or God's God's God?

I2amonlyhereforTheBeer · 09/02/2025 13:57

ToothHurtyAppointment · 08/02/2025 10:41

I didn’t believe in anything, other than it’d be nothingness after someone passes away.

Then my mum died in 2019 and something happened…several times, and continues to happen to this day, which has also been witnessed by others, so for me, I’m now a believer that something happens after death. The people who’ve witnessed this too also are bewildered believers too. No idea what happens. Whether it be a transfer of energy that can be controlled by the person who passed or something else, who knows. But I know my mum is sometimes with me.

So the thing… and this will be outing, but who cares… when mum first passed, I missed her death as I lived the other side of the world to where she died. I was beside myself and crying in my walk in wardrobe while putting clothes away. I looked up at the light and asked mum to give a sign if she is there. It flickered. So I was talking to a lightbulb for a couple of hours asking it to flicker once for yes and twice for no. I thought I was going insane and even told my DH that I think I’m going to need to be locked up because I thought I was talking to mum when it was more likely bad wiring or geckos or something.

Anyway, I showed him as an example and the light started flickering again. It’d never done it previously and only did it for questions I ask. At this stage I still didn’t believe.

But for the past almost 6 years now, and in front of many different people, many different lights, many different locations etc, I get the same result of the flickering lights. If I’m scared, lights will flicker. If I ask a light a question, it’ll always flicker once for yes and twice for no. Even right now. If something bad is happening (such as when I was giving birth and an emergency arose) the lights flickered above my hospital bed. It’s not just a quick flicker, it’s a full on light show. And if I ask a question, it’s a clear one flicker for yes and two clear flickers for no. It’s as though someone is turning the switch on and off.

Midwives, doctors, my children, my friends, my old colleagues and bosses have all seen this. I recently had a tooth removed (hence username) and while in the dentist chair the light kept flickering, which annoyed the dentist. I gave up trying hard not to believe it was something and now I just have faith that it is mum looking out for me like she promised she would.

I don’t think it’s a ghost, though maybe it is, but I believe it’s more of an energy that she is somehow able to channel. And that energy interferes with the lights and we found out by accident?

Anyway, it’s changed my mindset from ignorantly claiming there is nothing after you die, I now am open minded and aware that there is so much we do not know and aren’t supposed to know.

It looks even more crazy written down!

Edited

What I got from this is that you have a walk-in wardrobe! Always wanted one of them 😄

I2amonlyhereforTheBeer · 09/02/2025 14:00

pinksheetss · 08/02/2025 10:51

I think it's funny when people are so adamant against there being something afterilife because it's quite literally impossible to know. The world and life is so complex that we can't understand it, I think humans know a very small percentage of what actually goes on around us

There is more evidence for there being an afterlife than there is evidence for there not being

So what's the evidence? And what about the concept of parallel lives?

WeGotCows · 09/02/2025 15:14

If practiced properly it does stop people doing bad things. You are equating belief in God and then their bad actions as proof it doesn't stop people.

This is demonstrably untrue. What about the abuse scandals in the Catholic Church? Doesn’t just stop at the SAing priests, we also have many children badly treated in catholic schools, catholic mother and baby homes in Ireland.

I believe in spirituality, but I do not believe in religion, which is used to perform atrocities in the name of god. Look at the way women are treated and controlled in many religious cultures - can’t show their skin or hair, cannot lead normal fulfilling lives, can’t get educated in some countries.

Minnie59 · 09/02/2025 15:25

@Goody2ShoesAndTheFilthyBeast first tell me who created you ? Who created this world ?