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Thread 17: Starmer: Treading softly.

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DuncinToffee · 30/01/2025 17:47

Lettuce pray

Keep it civil

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BIossomtoes · 08/02/2025 19:56

Piggywaspushed · 08/02/2025 19:45

Also queuing up as an alleged Labour devotee to say I cannot stand that man. He was one of the group wo were vile about and towards Diane Abbott. Nasty piece of work.

I didn’t know that. All the more reason to be glad he’s out on his arse.

PandoraSox · 08/02/2025 20:30

Yuk. What a horrible man. Recall him and have a by-election. I bet he has said other vile stuff over the years.

PandoraSox · 08/02/2025 20:35

From.The Spectator:

Congratulations to Andrew Gwynne who wins the ministerial sack race of 2025. The Labour MP for Gorton & Denton was tonight sacked as a health minister after the Mail on Sunday revealed his vile WhatsApps. After a 72-year-old local resident got in touch with Gwynne’s constituency party to complain about her bin collection, the MP wrote a suggested response: ‘Dear resident, Fuck your bins. I’m re-elected and without your vote. Screw you. PS: Hopefully you’ll have croaked it by the all-outs.’ Charming.

The messages were exchanged in a group called ‘Trigger Me Timbers’, which Gwynne shares with more than a dozen Labour councillors, party officials and at least one other MP, all based on the outskirts of Manchester. The MoS gained access to thousands of messages from the closed group, which was set up in 2019, and discovered a barrage of abusive texts. Among them are Gwynne saying someone ‘sounds too Jewish’ and ‘too militaristic’ apparently from their name alone, and sexist comments about Deputy Prime Minister Angela Rayner performing a sex act. He also mocked Diane Abbott for becoming the first black MP to do PMQs at the despatch box and called a local Labour leader ‘Colin C*mface’.

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ilovesooty · 08/02/2025 20:35

Good. Starmer has acted swiftly, as I'd expect.

bombastix · 08/02/2025 20:38

Tbh it reflects pretty badly that he had this little cabal in WhatsApp with all his nasty behaviour, presumably someone dobbed him in but the rest of them may not be much better

PandoraSox · 08/02/2025 20:42

bombastix · 08/02/2025 20:38

Tbh it reflects pretty badly that he had this little cabal in WhatsApp with all his nasty behaviour, presumably someone dobbed him in but the rest of them may not be much better

Totally agree. They obviously had a lovely time being vile. I really hope he loses his seat for this and some of the others pay a price.

PandoraSox · 08/02/2025 20:43

He's been an MP for 20 years, ffs.

Rummly · 08/02/2025 20:47

He was caught up in an antisemitic Facebook group a few years ago, though he said he’d been added without him knowing. He was a shadow minister under Corbyn.

TBH I’m surprised at Starmer’s judgement to have him in his government.

PandoraSox · 08/02/2025 21:03

Rummly · 08/02/2025 20:47

He was caught up in an antisemitic Facebook group a few years ago, though he said he’d been added without him knowing. He was a shadow minister under Corbyn.

TBH I’m surprised at Starmer’s judgement to have him in his government.

Starmer obviously didn't know about the WhatsApp group. Gwynne is/was actually a good constituency MP in my experience of him and so maybe Starmer gave him the benefit of the doubt. I am really shocked by this.

I really hope he is recalled.

PickAChew · 08/02/2025 21:10

What a fucking arsehole. He should not be in public office under any banner.

This tickled me in the article, mind:

The Conservatives said the messages showed there is a "rot" in the party that "needs fixing".

Yes, the words of the party with a terminal infestation of deathwatch beetle.

BIossomtoes · 08/02/2025 21:10

Rummly · 08/02/2025 20:47

He was caught up in an antisemitic Facebook group a few years ago, though he said he’d been added without him knowing. He was a shadow minister under Corbyn.

TBH I’m surprised at Starmer’s judgement to have him in his government.

The only news outlet to report this was the Telegraph so I guess we can all draw our own conclusions. Unlike his recent WhatsApp comments.

itsgettingweird · 09/02/2025 08:19

PickAChew · 08/02/2025 21:10

What a fucking arsehole. He should not be in public office under any banner.

This tickled me in the article, mind:

The Conservatives said the messages showed there is a "rot" in the party that "needs fixing".

Yes, the words of the party with a terminal infestation of deathwatch beetle.

Ahhhh "Rot in the party - especially about the exchange of WhatsApp's"

Deja vu anyone?

I'm so glad he's been sacked.

I'm very glad that rather than months of "lost WhatsApp's" it's been brought out, dealt with without excuse and hopefully they'll be someone better to replace him.

One thing i admire Starmer for is his lack of shying away from the truth of dirty MPs and removing people who being the government into disrepute. Hopefully this will eventually wheedle out all the dead trees and we'll have even better.

PandoraSox · 09/02/2025 08:33

I see Trump has decided immigration is a good thing after all. But only for white people.

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-opens-america-s-doors-to-immigrants-white-south-africans-b2694513.html

DuncinToffee · 09/02/2025 09:51

It's not like he hid his racism during campaigning, but woke Confused

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Piggywaspushed · 09/02/2025 10:55

itsgettingweird · 09/02/2025 08:19

Ahhhh "Rot in the party - especially about the exchange of WhatsApp's"

Deja vu anyone?

I'm so glad he's been sacked.

I'm very glad that rather than months of "lost WhatsApp's" it's been brought out, dealt with without excuse and hopefully they'll be someone better to replace him.

One thing i admire Starmer for is his lack of shying away from the truth of dirty MPs and removing people who being the government into disrepute. Hopefully this will eventually wheedle out all the dead trees and we'll have even better.

Hmm, true but , despite what was suggested about about this chap being one of Corbyn's 'anti semite' crew , he was actually one of the main players in the bitchy 'let's get RLB, JC and DA out'. It was all in a report ages ago - but the main focus ended up being about the anti Semitism aspects and the rest got lost (buried if you will). The report found a pretty toxic WhatsApp and face to face bullying culture. Sir KS wasn't ever implicated in this but certainly some of his appointments (such as Gwynne, and many suspect Streeting)) were.

I linked it once when the whole DA thing was kicking off . Not sure of I'll be able to find it again.

bombastix · 09/02/2025 11:25

I read all of these comments in the Mail on Sunday.

He is thoroughly repellent. I wonder what he is motivation was for entering public life was, because he seems so utterly vile about people, of all kinds.

SerendipityJane · 09/02/2025 11:40

Mildly surprised there hasn't (yet) been an influx of posters cawing "Gotcha" with zero reference to all the Tory MPs who (eventually) had to go after equally repellent (if not criminal) behaviour. I guess it's still night in Moscow.

<Stewart Lee routine>
All the Tory MPs ...

bombastix · 09/02/2025 11:49

Rawnsley in the Observer today; a good take on Labour and the Farage factor.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/feb/09/the-surge-in-support-for-reform-is-making-labour-nervous-now-it-needs-a-plan

PandoraSox · 09/02/2025 11:51

Piggywaspushed · 09/02/2025 10:55

Hmm, true but , despite what was suggested about about this chap being one of Corbyn's 'anti semite' crew , he was actually one of the main players in the bitchy 'let's get RLB, JC and DA out'. It was all in a report ages ago - but the main focus ended up being about the anti Semitism aspects and the rest got lost (buried if you will). The report found a pretty toxic WhatsApp and face to face bullying culture. Sir KS wasn't ever implicated in this but certainly some of his appointments (such as Gwynne, and many suspect Streeting)) were.

I linked it once when the whole DA thing was kicking off . Not sure of I'll be able to find it again.

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I would love Streeting to be next, tbh. I deeply dislike and distrust him. I think he is a nasty piece of work.

cardibach · 09/02/2025 11:54

I’ve warmed to Streeting. I think he’s a good communicator. I listened to him on James O’Brien’s Full Disclosure podcast and found it made me like him a lot more. If he’s still being vile to people under cover of WhatsApp etc, then he should go, of course.

Piggywaspushed · 09/02/2025 11:58

I have pre ordered Get In, Patrick Maguire and Gabriel Pogrund's new book about Starmer. Sounds interesting.

itsgettingweird · 09/02/2025 12:01

SerendipityJane · 09/02/2025 11:40

Mildly surprised there hasn't (yet) been an influx of posters cawing "Gotcha" with zero reference to all the Tory MPs who (eventually) had to go after equally repellent (if not criminal) behaviour. I guess it's still night in Moscow.

<Stewart Lee routine>
All the Tory MPs ...

But it happened the other way.

Tory MP does "something"

We comment just as we have above re Labour MP.

Flood of c and p articles about former Labour MPs who may have done similar.

They aren't going to c and p articles about all the Tory's and whats apps.

DuncinToffee · 09/02/2025 12:06

itsgettingweird · 09/02/2025 12:01

But it happened the other way.

Tory MP does "something"

We comment just as we have above re Labour MP.

Flood of c and p articles about former Labour MPs who may have done similar.

They aren't going to c and p articles about all the Tory's and whats apps.

It's even harder for those who have now turned to Reform

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bombastix · 09/02/2025 12:10

@PandoraSox why the antipathy to Streeting? Not saying you are wrong to have this view btw. But curious. He's on a razor thin majority which explains some of his recent statements. Though some of them also make policy sense for the NHS.

On MPs chat - I suppose human nature being what it is, I would expect slagging off between party members. But doing the same about the general public is a no.

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