Thread 17: Starmer: Treading softly.

[DuncinToffee]

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Keep it civil

Cat, dog, flowers tax much appreciated

Previous thread
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5257111-thread-16-starmer-mad-world?page=40

I said the posts were from the day she resigned. She was already in deep trouble by then and her resignation was inevitable. The allegations, including of lying about the facts of the properties’ origins, had piled up by then.

BTW, reports were that she was made to self-refer, and didn’t do it willingly. But we can’t know for certain.

Reading may or may not be for lefties. I’d like to imagine that thinking is for everyone.

Yes, I forgot. Sorry 😞

Mixed news but interest rates down a little

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0lzj3g77gpo

Foreign Office Minister Anneliese Dodds tells MPs that "We would oppose any effort to move Palestinians in Gaza to neighbouring Arab states against their will."

"There must be no forced displacement of Palestinians nor any reduction in the territory of the Gaza Strip."

What do they say? Fine words butter no parsnips?

The problem with the UK is there no doubt that we will not get involved beyond these words. If the world changed in the basis of international pressure or diplomatic protest then things would look very different.

The US has changed from speak softly and carry a big stick to speak loudly and look at my beautiful bigly stick.

Right now everyone is hoping not to get hit with the bigly tariff stuck.

It's a direct challenge to the Arab world to own the Palestinian "problem". They do not know what to do.

Look, we are a group of people who currently sit varying degrees left of centre. That's just who we are. We don't like everything this government are doing, but are broadly supportive. You disagree and feel the last lot/the current Tories are better. We're not going to agree. Such is life. I do not understand why it matters so much to you.

It's the resident "Badenoch" function. You know, like being given cod liver oil or a cold shower and a reminder that your neighbours think the Telegraph is a sane publication.

As I've got older I don't care about what opinion of me people who don't care about me have. It's saved my blood pressure many a time 😆. Now I (mostly) just carry on as I was and shrug.

Btw if any of you have an FT subscription the Prince of Darkness has given an interesting interview on his new role.

He is of course an excellent choice despite all kvetchjng in certain sectors of the press. Mandelson will know all the weakest bits and angst of the EU regarding international trade. He was of course responsible for many of them occurring. But in placing Britain in a safe place between Bigly and the EU, he is the correct choice

It's generally quite easy and quick to spot sniping posters. They invariably have a lot of opinions and very few (in any) ideas. And in the most reductive cases their "opinions" are merely snipped pieces from their rag(s) of choice.

Even todays pisspoor "AI" can spot them a mile off. Proving, I guess, that it takes one to know one.

Regardless the best approach is to merely ignore and not engage. They will soon get bored (In "AI" circles, getting bored means you need to change your input model, by the way).

I have a feeling the mysterious message on the previous thread may have been promoted by one of the posters reporting it to MNHQ going "bwa bwa bwa, those nasty people never respond to my posts. Bullies" coupled with a very overworked and stressed moderator who didn't have time to RTFT.

Obviously all and any can post what and how they like.

I suspect things may heat up a bit in the next few weeks ahead of the great UK internet debate shutdown coming in March.

As I've got older I don't care about what opinion of me people who don't care about me have.

Interviewer: What do you think is your greatest weakness ?
Candidate: Well I'm too honest. That's my problem.
Interviewer: I don't see that as a problem at all,
Candidate: I don't give a fuck what you think.

Just catching up on a ton of posts.

So for those hard of hearing at the back

I DO NOT LIKE KEIR STARMER VERY MUCH. I HEART CORBYN. I VOTED LABOUR BECAUSE I DID NOT WANT THE TORIES TO WIN BACK MY SEAT. THEY DID. I AM STILL ANNOYED. IF I WERE IN SCOTLAND I WOULD NOT VOTE LABOUR. I WILL PORBABLY VOTE GREEN NEXT TIME. I HAVE ALWAYS VOTED LABOUR AND AM SAD ABOUT THEIR DIRECTION OF TRAVEL.

One more time

I AM NOT A STARMER FANGIRL. And yet happily witter away on this thread.

Bit , on another note, what is wrong with a Labour supporting thread? Have I missed a memo?

Too many typos , apols.

DS is working away for the next 48 hours and DD's at uni so I'm on my own in the house for the first time since 1997.
I keep expecting the empty nest syndrome to kick in but instead there's this weird squeaky joy.

Mandy is an inspired choice for this role. Unfortunately I don't have a subscription and none of the shops round here stock it. We aren't FT type of people.

Enjoy it Willowkins

@TooBigForMyBoots

Mandelson has a simple plan for dealing with Trump’s team. He says he will treat them “with respect, seriousness and understanding of where they are coming from politically. Politics is in turmoil. There’s an often alienated and angry electorate which feels the system has let them down.” He admits that supporters of globalisation, which has been a central tenet for Mandelson, had become complacent, as wages stagnated and inequality grew. “A number of politicians, President Trump included, are seen as an antidote to that.”

More Mandy;

I’m very worried about Europe. Primarily the problems of the EU are of its own making, regardless of who is in the White House. The most recent period has seen an acceleration, a gamut, of far-reaching regulation, which they are now trying to blunt, reverse or reform.

And less diplomatically, on Epstein; with whom Mandelson is said to have had a close relationship;

regret ever meeting him or being introduced to him by his partner Ghislaine Maxwell. I regret even more the hurt he caused to many young women.
I’m not going to go into this. It’s an FT obsession and frankly you can all fuck off. OK?

Enjoy WillowKins can be very liberating having an empty house for a short while

It's been a mad few weeks on here, what with Trump's Shock and Awe approach, Right Whingers, and the fucking paedophile(s).

This thread is a wee oasis of sanity. Thank you to all you regulars and in particular @DuncinToffee for keeping it lit.

Strength and love to yis all.🤎

The reference the "wokey cokey" is amusing on this... no further information provided on whether Mandelson would be putting his left leg in or out or indeed, shaking it about

Some around Mr Trump see me as they view many in Europe. They see me as a leftwing progressive, somebody who might even be anti-business or somebody who might be following the sort of liberalism they’ve just defeated in America. What they will discover is I’m not an uber-liberal, I’m not a wokey-cokey sort of person, and I’m pro-market and pro-business.”

There is absolutely nothing wrong with a Labour/left wing supporting thread.

Another who isn’t a total Starmer fangirl, I’m much much more left leaning I don’t understand why Rummly appears so annoyed by these threads I will never support the likes of the sainted Kemi the patron saint of liars or the brainless gobshites in the shadow cabinet.

(adds "1" to the Mandelson rating in Janes head).

Anyone heard from Prince Andrew recently ?