Thread 17: Starmer: Treading softly.

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Previous thread
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5257111-thread-16-starmer-mad-world?page=40

That poster knows Grumpy, they are just winding us up.

I an starting to really resent being told that I think Starmer can do no wrong. I feel I am being mansplained the contents of my own supposedly empty little head.

Those posts are from the day Tulip Siddiq resigned.

There are indeed none so blind…

You think 6 years is not long enough bombastix?

And talking about hypocrisy

Kemi Badenoch was born British in December 1980, as her parents came here for the birth & returned to Nigeria Just before Margaret Thatcher abolished birthright citizenship in the 1981 British Nationality Act (from 1983)

10 years. No criminal convictions during that time. And any convictions should get you barred from ILR or receiving a passport. This are not actual current requirements.

This should have been the bare minimum for the last 50 years. The second criteria is particularly important; this is failure over decades.

I agree. It's just best to ignore it and it might go away. I think @prettybird will be particularly amused by being told she is so pro labour and Starmer!

Well yes. It should be your passport application is only available if you have continuous residence. Which was not a requirement at the time!

I asked DH if he knew how KB's family got here since she's so anti migrants. He said oh you know, they got here by climbing that ladder and pulling it up behind them.

Fair point.

By the way, I didn't ask him because he's a man. I asked him because he pays more attention than me. Just in case some random person thinks differently. Probably not on this thread, but you know MN.

Nigel Farage is finding Trump's idea on Gaza very appealing

I cannot take any of our right wing guests seriously after being deleted for referencing the House at Pooh Corner in respect of their absolute bleating which got me deleted.

The Conservatives introduced 5 years didn't they?

Isnt the current system is as Johnson left it? (and which was supported by Badenoch and Philps when they were in Cabinet and the Home Office.)

Yes I saw that Farage was excited by the idea of casinos and wealthy people in Gaza.

Of course Hitlers original plan was to diplace the bulk of the Jewish population to eastern Russia or Madagascar. The has chambers came in when he realised that wasn't going to happen.

No way! I missed that! Would love to know what you said!

It is usually possible for someone to apply for ILR if they have worked in the UK for five years, although it can be two or three years if they came to UK on particular visas.

A person can currently apply for British citizenship, 12 months after they have been granted indefinite leave to remain.

The Conservatives say the period before someone can apply for ILR should be extended from five to 10 years and people should then have to wait a further five years before seeking citizenship.

It wasn't worth a deletion, a more colourful way of saying mud slinging

I do not think the 5 years plus 1 requirement has changed for a long time; in fact it would have been a Labour policy back in 2008.

Why anyone should listen to the Conservatives on immigration is beyond me. They expanded the criteria to get into the country, drained the Border Force of resources to police irregular migration and failed to institute any effective policy to deport foreign criminals. This they did because they wanted the economic benefits of cheaper labour, not having to pay or train British citizens to do these jobs, or pay to have public resources to manage migration. The greed is off the scale

The government has released this today.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new-survey-suggests-benefits-system-is-letting-down-people-with-mental-health-conditions-who-want-to-work

It says that the number of young people with a mental health condition who are economically inactive due to long-term sickness is now over a quarter of a million (270,000)

Maybe, just maybe, they have should have focused more on how the NHS is letting these young people down?

This is a heart breaking example. Content Warning : it is about a young person who killed herself.

www.theguardian.com/society/2025/feb/06/the-life-and-death-of-jen-bridges-chalkley-why-did-a-17-year-old-die-waiting-for-nhs-therapy

Well I suppose Badenoch is attempting to out Farage Farage.

Which she can't because he isnt required to commit to policies.

Besides which he'll just Elevenerife her.

Brings us back to the closure of Sure Start centres

@Zonder - way. Very funny

@PandoraSox - CAMHS is overwhelmed. That is a terrible story, public services cannot cope with the volume of referral and the skill a parent needs to access these services is immense. These are huge barriers to treatment or further help. Many people rely on private services which are likely not as good, but very expensive. There needs to be prior stage of help for parents before things escalate imo.

You've made it clear time and time again that you don't approve of the political affiliations that you think that we, the hive mind have. Message received.

As well as fiddling around with who can get and how they get UK citizenship, it would be a really good idea to look at what you should require UK citizenship for.

And top of the list is donating to any political party. That should only be possible for a UK citizen. And the amount donated reported to HMRC to make sure that any "gifts" are taxed appropriately.

That's it. No need to overthink it.

There should also be a mandatory period between application and acceptance of at least a year if not 5. Mandatory as in everyone. No matter how much wonga you wave. Because we know that the Musks of this world would buy a passport tomorrow as things stand.

Personally I would also look closer at our laws on treason too. Currently they are grounded in an era when few could easily work across borders without considerable resources. There is a clear distinction between a UK citizen who just sounds off in a foreign bar and a UK citizen who is actively assisting foreign citizens interfering within the jurisdiction of the UK.

And yes, I am thinking of our very on Lord Pub-Bore Nigel Farage. The man with(out) the German passport. The mussels-what-are-they? from Brussels. However I am sure there are others that could be considered.

Many of them before she resigned. And all of them critical of her.

Reading is for lefties, @BIossomtoes