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Christmas market attack in Germany tonight😄 article linked

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Treetops11 · 20/12/2024 20:23

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/dec/20/germany-christmas-market-madgeburg
I have attended many Christmas markets over the years. They are so crowded especially at the moment as German children finished school for the Christmas holidays. Frightening, my prayers are with all the victim's šŸ™

One killed and scores reportedly injured after car drives into German Christmas market – latest updates

Driver arrested after incident in Magdeburg, west of Berlin, according to media reports

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/dec/20/germany-christmas-market-madgeburg

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Treetops11 · 22/12/2024 23:54

katter · 22/12/2024 23:48

"This man like many others who planned or carried out evil atrocities was seeking asylum in a country but attacked the very country and murdered & maimed hundreds of the civilians who offered him safety & shelter. He is no different from any of the others who savagely attacked those who gave them safety."
Page 23, 24, 25 oh and on this page.
Haven't looked up the other posts.
Copy and paste isn't really a good thing when it comes to arguing.

I actually mentioned common sense , critical thinking & facts in the exact sentence I wanted reposting.
Still waiting for @badgerindungarees to repost where I called this man a "brown man". Or else apologise for spreading misinformation & misquoting me.

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Zonder · 22/12/2024 23:54

Treetops11 · 22/12/2024 23:39

Racist ? Show me my racist views. Stating the obvious & common denominator is not racist. It is the hard facts.
The man who committed these heinous, evil atrocities is exactly the same as many of the others who sought asylum then repaid their host country by murdering & injuring them. It's fact. It's truth. Don't called me racist , I have not brought race into this. The men who carried out the attacks were all from different nationalities who happened to be seeking asylum.
You can't try & silence people pointing out the facts by calling them racist.

It's fascinating how so many people with racist views pretend they're not racist. Farage being a prime example. Lumping an entire ethnic group or religion together under one label is an example. Your persistent use of the term expat is another.

Zonder · 22/12/2024 23:57

DuncinToffee · 22/12/2024 23:49

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9790/

Migrants in the UK on visas, illegally or seeking asylum are usually ineligible for welfare benefits and social housing. This is referred to as having ā€˜no recourse to public funds’, or ā€˜NRPF’.

That's good. The OP likes facts. Apparently. Or maybe those aren't the right kind of facts.

Scirocco · 22/12/2024 23:57

1dayatatime · 22/12/2024 23:45

@Scirocco

"There are multiple challenges to that, though, which mean that as a society we do still need people willing to come and work in the UK in these 'low-skilled' jobs. "

You see "low skilled jobs " whereas as I see "low paid jobs". If you make these jobs financially attractive enough to come off benefits and get back into work then you will have no problem filling these jobs.

It's ridiculous that the taxpayer has to either top up low salaries through working credits or pay benefits for people to remain economically inactive simply because greedy employers want higher profits by paying low wages to imported labour.

It was the other poster who used the term "low skilled jobs" without inverted commas. My reply placed inverted commas around the phrase. Many jobs classed by people as 'low skilled' actually require quite a bit of skill.

Making jobs financially and work:life balance attractive enough to get sufficient people to choose them over benefits is going to take a lot of effort and be expensive. Companies like making profit, so would likely increase prices for consumers rather than cut into their own profits. Government intervention to prevent that would be hugely unpopular with businesses so wouldn't get off the ground.

While it would be positive to get people out of economic inactivity, it's a long-term, challenging process. In the meantime, we still need people willing and able to do these jobs.

Treetops11 · 22/12/2024 23:58

BadgerInDungarees · 22/12/2024 23:47

Many others? What is many? What percentage of asylum seekers do you think are committing atrocities that you would label it as 'many of the others'. More than 1million asylum seekers applied for asylum for the first time in Europe last year, what percentage of them have gone to on to commit atrocities like this Afd sympathiser? This is why people think you are coming across as racist.

I have no idea just how many but in my opinion one life lost is too many. I can link all the articles if you like. 5 children were stabbed last Christmas in Dublin ,did you know that ?

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Treetops11 · 23/12/2024 00:00

Zonder · 22/12/2024 23:54

It's fascinating how so many people with racist views pretend they're not racist. Farage being a prime example. Lumping an entire ethnic group or religion together under one label is an example. Your persistent use of the term expat is another.

It's not racist to point out the obvious or do you think it should be sugar coated?

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Efacsen · 23/12/2024 00:03

Treetops11 · 22/12/2024 23:58

I have no idea just how many but in my opinion one life lost is too many. I can link all the articles if you like. 5 children were stabbed last Christmas in Dublin ,did you know that ?

Come on answer the question - what ballpark percentage or number constitutes the 'many' of which you have spoken several times

1% 5% 20% 50%

I'm curious too

katter · 23/12/2024 00:03

Treetops11 · 22/12/2024 23:58

I have no idea just how many but in my opinion one life lost is too many. I can link all the articles if you like. 5 children were stabbed last Christmas in Dublin ,did you know that ?

So you don't want anybody granted asylum because one life was lost by the hands of a refugee?
Got it.

1dayatatime · 23/12/2024 00:04

@Scirocco

"Companies like making profit, so would likely increase prices for consumers rather than cut into their own profits."

That's not the way economics works- if companies can increase prices to increase profits then they always will regardless of what salaries they are paying.

If they increase their prices beyond what people are willing to pay or what their competitors are offering then they simply lose business.

Treetops11 · 23/12/2024 00:08

katter · 23/12/2024 00:03

So you don't want anybody granted asylum because one life was lost by the hands of a refugee?
Got it.

I never said that. Where did I say that. But any life lost caused by violence is one too many whether the murderer is native or not native to where they caused the crime.
Life is precious.

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1dayatatime · 23/12/2024 00:08

@Scirocco

"While it would be positive to get people out of economic inactivity, it's a long-term, challenging process. In the meantime, we still need people willing and able to do these jobs."

Actually I see it as an immediate term essential process. Every year that goes by where a person remains economically inactive makes it that much harder to get them back into employment.

Yes it might be challenging in the short term but failing to even start tackling the problem makes it that much harder to fix.

Zonder · 23/12/2024 00:09

Treetops11 · 23/12/2024 00:00

It's not racist to point out the obvious or do you think it should be sugar coated?

The obvious? What is "obvious" to you is quite interesting.

Efacsen · 23/12/2024 00:11

Scirocco · 22/12/2024 23:57

It was the other poster who used the term "low skilled jobs" without inverted commas. My reply placed inverted commas around the phrase. Many jobs classed by people as 'low skilled' actually require quite a bit of skill.

Making jobs financially and work:life balance attractive enough to get sufficient people to choose them over benefits is going to take a lot of effort and be expensive. Companies like making profit, so would likely increase prices for consumers rather than cut into their own profits. Government intervention to prevent that would be hugely unpopular with businesses so wouldn't get off the ground.

While it would be positive to get people out of economic inactivity, it's a long-term, challenging process. In the meantime, we still need people willing and able to do these jobs.

I think there are also specific issues around providing personal/intimate care in social care settings - some people just aren't suited to that kind of work - forcing people into these roles is counter-productive and potentially harmful to clients

And futile when the new appointee only lasts a couple of shifts and the merry go round of recruitment starts all over again

Einaldilastcup · 23/12/2024 00:11

After the media gas lighting over the south port murderer I’ll never believe a word they say.

If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck - it’s probably a duck.

Mean while people pretend they have no idea why this keeps happening …

Treetops11 · 23/12/2024 00:12

Efacsen · 23/12/2024 00:03

Come on answer the question - what ballpark percentage or number constitutes the 'many' of which you have spoken several times

1% 5% 20% 50%

I'm curious too

I couldn't give a ballpark figure as I don't want to spread misinformation but there have been many attacks just like the Christmas market one . The Bataclan, the Moscow concert, Arianna Grande concert, the Dublin stabbings, 2018 Berlin Christmas market. 2024 Christmas markets to name but a few...
How many lives lost & changed forever in those atrocities?

Look at Sweden for instance they have admitted multiculturalism has not worked in their country.

https://europeanconservative.com/articles/news/denmark-says-swedens-failed-migration-policy-is-to-blame-for-exported-crime/

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Efacsen · 23/12/2024 00:16

Treetops11 · 23/12/2024 00:12

I couldn't give a ballpark figure as I don't want to spread misinformation but there have been many attacks just like the Christmas market one . The Bataclan, the Moscow concert, Arianna Grande concert, the Dublin stabbings, 2018 Berlin Christmas market. 2024 Christmas markets to name but a few...
How many lives lost & changed forever in those atrocities?

Look at Sweden for instance they have admitted multiculturalism has not worked in their country.

https://europeanconservative.com/articles/news/denmark-says-swedens-failed-migration-policy-is-to-blame-for-exported-crime/

Edited

It's not mis-information to make a guess and say it's guess

Surely you have some idea because you keep repeating it

But have become evasive when asked to clarify

Treetops11 · 23/12/2024 00:20

Efacsen · 23/12/2024 00:16

It's not mis-information to make a guess and say it's guess

Surely you have some idea because you keep repeating it

But have become evasive when asked to clarify

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/swedish-pm-says-integration-immigrants-has-failed-fueled-gang-crime-2022-04-28/

I'll leave this article here as it shows the situation in Sweden according to it's Prime Minister.

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Einaldilastcup · 23/12/2024 00:21

katter · 23/12/2024 00:03

So you don't want anybody granted asylum because one life was lost by the hands of a refugee?
Got it.

It’s not one life though is it? It’s many - way too many. And I’m pretty sure the female hotel worker who was stabbed to death recently - her family would be wishing that asylum seekers were not allowed in.

People pretend to horrified when another person has been stabbed to death or a bomb goes off and then quickly forget - till the next time they are horrified for 5 mins.

The issue is with the asylum seekers is that the government is so incompetent at dealing with them. These men have no paper work - so we’ve no idea if they are known mass murderers and they are free to just disappear when they are at the hotel when really they should be refugee camps and secured.

Treetops11 · 23/12/2024 00:25

Einaldilastcup · 23/12/2024 00:21

It’s not one life though is it? It’s many - way too many. And I’m pretty sure the female hotel worker who was stabbed to death recently - her family would be wishing that asylum seekers were not allowed in.

People pretend to horrified when another person has been stabbed to death or a bomb goes off and then quickly forget - till the next time they are horrified for 5 mins.

The issue is with the asylum seekers is that the government is so incompetent at dealing with them. These men have no paper work - so we’ve no idea if they are known mass murderers and they are free to just disappear when they are at the hotel when really they should be refugee camps and secured.

Yes it's all their loved ones left behind. Like millions around Europe at the moment my heart is breaking for the innocent victims who were murdered & the hundreds injured. Their lives & their families have changed forever.
All they were doing was enjoying their advent in the run up to Christmas .

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Efacsen · 23/12/2024 00:25

Treetops11 · 23/12/2024 00:20

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/swedish-pm-says-integration-immigrants-has-failed-fueled-gang-crime-2022-04-28/

I'll leave this article here as it shows the situation in Sweden according to it's Prime Minister.

That's just more distraction and deflection in order to evade the question

You're obviously not going to give a straight answer to a simple question so I'll leave it there

Treetops11 · 23/12/2024 00:25

Efacsen · 23/12/2024 00:16

It's not mis-information to make a guess and say it's guess

Surely you have some idea because you keep repeating it

But have become evasive when asked to clarify

https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/infographics/terrorism-eu-facts-figures/

This is from Europol goes up as far as 2021, makes for interesting reading.

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Efacsen · 23/12/2024 00:28

Treetops11 · 23/12/2024 00:25

https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/infographics/terrorism-eu-facts-figures/

This is from Europol goes up as far as 2021, makes for interesting reading.

Just more of the same non-answering deflection

katter · 23/12/2024 00:28

Treetops11 · 23/12/2024 00:08

I never said that. Where did I say that. But any life lost caused by violence is one too many whether the murderer is native or not native to where they caused the crime.
Life is precious.

Well when asked
"What percentage of asylum seekers do you think are committing atrocities that you would label it as 'many of the others' "
You answered
" I have no idea just how many but in my opinion one life lost is too many"
What are we supposed to infer from that?

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