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Can I ask my kids to pay towards Xmas food shop.

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I4gotmyname · 08/12/2024 19:47

Would it be bad if I asked my 3 oldest, to give me 15.00 each towards the Xmas food shop. And ask them to pay for the alcohol. As I don't drink.

I'm struggling a bit this year . Not to a massive extent. But a bit of help would be nice. I feel bad though because they are my kids.

OP posts:
Minc · 09/12/2024 18:40

I’ve been in your situation (adult kids in their twenties). You needn’t ask for money imo: I said ‘I’m struggling this year, so I can only afford x y and z for Christmas food. From that year and until this year they organised among themselves and with me who was buying what, who was cooking what, and we’ve all had a lovely time.
edit: the year before last this included yummy chicken and mushroom tagliatelle paid for and cooked by youngest daughter as our main: everyone appreciated and enjoyed it — it’s the love that counts.

NasiDagang · 09/12/2024 18:45

RockOrAHardplace · 09/12/2024 11:05

Sorry but some of the posters on here seem to live enchanted lives and need a reality check. Just because you wouldn't, doesn't mean she shouldn't if you take her circumstances into account.

Yes she choose to have kids, but unexpected things happen, income changes and no one can predict family members with health issues which means they are on long term benefits. With that comes extra responsibilities for the parent permanently, not just at Christmas.

She is struggling, this is not a normal Sunday lunch type meal with Chicken and veg, Its Christmas day, all the trimmings, drinks and ...yes...treats and the exchange of gifts.

What's wrong with aspiring to make it a lovely day for all and asking those with money (which includes the 17 year old with a substantial disposable income) from being asked to contribute...IF THEY CAN AFFORD IT - that was all she asked. A single guy with a decent income can afford to give his Mum the money he saves from providing for himself that day. Her Daughter and Grandkids, too - £15 is not much in the scale of things.

She makes it clear she has been funding it herself for years and has never asked before, read between the lines folks, she is giving her all and this year to celebrate in the way they are used to, she is struggling, yes she can economise and yes, she has made it clear she will if they cannot afford it, but how long does this go on for. Does she fund Christmas for eternity??? Not everyone has that luxury.

The 17 year old, has issues and struggles with shopping and lets be honest, kids (whether adult kids) will just bring what they want and not necessarily what is needed. It just makes it easier for the hostess to know what is coming by getting the money and managing it herself.

Some people (and I am not saying this is the OP) put themselves in debt to pay for Christmas presents and end up paying it off all year. I'd be mortified if I knew my Mum was struggling and I hadn't though to contribute.

And yes, my parents divorced and I was brought up in a single parent family. Three of us were brought into a world with the expectation that we would have two incomes in the house, but sadly that did not transpire. My Mum worked and brought three of us up, frequently putting us before her own needs . When I started working, the housing benefit she got (which was the only thing she got) was stopped because of my income. She simply didn't have the money to cover it, I had to move out or cough up. That was the reality of being on the breadline.

And actually, it taught me, at an early age, about money management and prioritising. Mum helped me when I was short and I helped here, that is what families do. Yes, I would have loved to live for free at home, living the high life, but not if it meant my Mum struggled.

Even as a mature adult, if my elderly invites us over for a meal, I offer money or take the joint of meat etc. She only has a basic state pension and she would turn off the heating until we arrive so she has money to treat us if she thought she could get away with it. That is what Mums do. But when there is money available, elsewhere, then the burden needs to be shared.

I think the OP is a pretty amazing woman, still wanting to provide for her kids even as adults. Big Hugs OP - as I said before, follow your gut instinct, they are your family. Have a fantastic Christmas. x

Edited

What a fantastic post! You sound like a kind person and I love your clear and empathetic language. It was a pleasure to read your caring words ❤️

CleansUpButWouldPreferNotTo · 09/12/2024 18:48

starlight889 · 09/12/2024 18:15

I just went onto Tesco to see if I could do this. I counted for more than 4 due to there being children (not sure how many though?)

For £30.86 I managed to do dinner, pudding and a few christmas snacks.

Whole large chicken - £4
Potatoes - 79p
Sprouts - 85p
Carrots - 44p
Parsnips - 75p
Honey - 75p
Stuffing mix - 45p
Gravy granules - 73p
20 Pigs in blankets - £3.50
Yorkshire puddings - £1.75

Yule log - £2.75
Double cream - £1.15

Mini muffins - £2.75
Christmas tree tortilla chips - £1.35
Dips - £3.20
Cheese ball crisps - £1
Pretzel and cracker mix - £1.65

Coke zero x2 - £3

A decent lunch with pudding and a few snacks for £30.

One chicken isn't going to feed 4 adults and at least 4 children (DD's 2 plus OP said she has younger children at home). Ditto 1 yule log, 1 bag of crisps, 1 cheese ball - I could go on..

So minimum 2 chickens - and you haven't allowed for soft drinks, coffee and tea, xmas cake, chocolates, xmas crackers..

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CleansUpButWouldPreferNotTo · 09/12/2024 18:50

ConfusedPuddle · 09/12/2024 14:05

I think asking for money is a bit crass. Why doesn't everyone bring a dish or 2? Bottle of drink?

OP has explained several times why not!!

Sunshine1500 · 09/12/2024 18:50

I think you should try feed them all dinner without asking for money.
it’s only one meal , they can bring their own alcohol and any special food they like.
i cut back on something else in order to feed my children a Christmas lunch/dinner

starlight889 · 09/12/2024 18:53

CleansUpButWouldPreferNotTo · 09/12/2024 18:48

One chicken isn't going to feed 4 adults and at least 4 children (DD's 2 plus OP said she has younger children at home). Ditto 1 yule log, 1 bag of crisps, 1 cheese ball - I could go on..

So minimum 2 chickens - and you haven't allowed for soft drinks, coffee and tea, xmas cake, chocolates, xmas crackers..

One big chicken is plenty for 4 adults and kids who as OP says “won’t eat a lot”. Again, 1 yule log is plenty as long as you’re not having 2/3 slices per person. There’s already soft drinks on my list. Two bags of different crisps plus other snacks (the crackers) is again plenty. Tea and coffee I assume most households already have that.

For arguments sake, let’s add another 2 bags of crisps at £1.50 each, a tub of chocolates £4 and christmas crackers £4. That’s £11 extra. Just over £40 for a whole christmas dinner, pudding, snacks and drinks.

Again, I am not saying OP shouldn’t ask her children. I was simply replying to someone asking if it could be done and I was intrigued so had a go and posted my findings.

Agespot · 09/12/2024 19:00

RockOrAHardplace · 09/12/2024 11:05

Sorry but some of the posters on here seem to live enchanted lives and need a reality check. Just because you wouldn't, doesn't mean she shouldn't if you take her circumstances into account.

Yes she choose to have kids, but unexpected things happen, income changes and no one can predict family members with health issues which means they are on long term benefits. With that comes extra responsibilities for the parent permanently, not just at Christmas.

She is struggling, this is not a normal Sunday lunch type meal with Chicken and veg, Its Christmas day, all the trimmings, drinks and ...yes...treats and the exchange of gifts.

What's wrong with aspiring to make it a lovely day for all and asking those with money (which includes the 17 year old with a substantial disposable income) from being asked to contribute...IF THEY CAN AFFORD IT - that was all she asked. A single guy with a decent income can afford to give his Mum the money he saves from providing for himself that day. Her Daughter and Grandkids, too - £15 is not much in the scale of things.

She makes it clear she has been funding it herself for years and has never asked before, read between the lines folks, she is giving her all and this year to celebrate in the way they are used to, she is struggling, yes she can economise and yes, she has made it clear she will if they cannot afford it, but how long does this go on for. Does she fund Christmas for eternity??? Not everyone has that luxury.

The 17 year old, has issues and struggles with shopping and lets be honest, kids (whether adult kids) will just bring what they want and not necessarily what is needed. It just makes it easier for the hostess to know what is coming by getting the money and managing it herself.

Some people (and I am not saying this is the OP) put themselves in debt to pay for Christmas presents and end up paying it off all year. I'd be mortified if I knew my Mum was struggling and I hadn't though to contribute.

And yes, my parents divorced and I was brought up in a single parent family. Three of us were brought into a world with the expectation that we would have two incomes in the house, but sadly that did not transpire. My Mum worked and brought three of us up, frequently putting us before her own needs . When I started working, the housing benefit she got (which was the only thing she got) was stopped because of my income. She simply didn't have the money to cover it, I had to move out or cough up. That was the reality of being on the breadline.

And actually, it taught me, at an early age, about money management and prioritising. Mum helped me when I was short and I helped here, that is what families do. Yes, I would have loved to live for free at home, living the high life, but not if it meant my Mum struggled.

Even as a mature adult, if my elderly invites us over for a meal, I offer money or take the joint of meat etc. She only has a basic state pension and she would turn off the heating until we arrive so she has money to treat us if she thought she could get away with it. That is what Mums do. But when there is money available, elsewhere, then the burden needs to be shared.

I think the OP is a pretty amazing woman, still wanting to provide for her kids even as adults. Big Hugs OP - as I said before, follow your gut instinct, they are your family. Have a fantastic Christmas. x

Edited

What a lovely heartfelt response, you truly are a kind hearted person ❤️❤️
Not everyone has the gift of seeing it from someone else's viewpoint.

CleansUpButWouldPreferNotTo · 09/12/2024 19:01

Again, I am not saying OP shouldn’t ask her children. I was simply replying to someone asking if it could be done and I was intrigued so had a go and posted my findings.

Agreed, @starlight889 and well done costing it out (No, I'm not being patronising, hope you won't take it that way), but your budget dinner doesn't really fit the spirit of Christmas, where a little over-indulgence can help mitigate the strain of being low-income and battling to make ends meet all year long. You have certainly costed a modest festive meal, but there won't be much of leftovers for Boxing Day.

Whereas if her older children contributed a token £15 and brought their own alcoholic drinks, that modest festive meal turns into a festive feast which will be remembered for a while.

WombatChocolate · 09/12/2024 19:16

I apologise. You were absolutely right that such a meal could be created for £30 and be v pleasant:

My comments were not aimed at you….but I can see it came across like that and I’m sorry/

Rebellion86 · 09/12/2024 19:22

My mum never asks us for anything towards Christmas Dinner, but me and my 2 sisters and brother always club together and give 100£ towards it.

I4gotmyname · 09/12/2024 19:31

CleansUpButWouldPreferNotTo · 09/12/2024 18:48

One chicken isn't going to feed 4 adults and at least 4 children (DD's 2 plus OP said she has younger children at home). Ditto 1 yule log, 1 bag of crisps, 1 cheese ball - I could go on..

So minimum 2 chickens - and you haven't allowed for soft drinks, coffee and tea, xmas cake, chocolates, xmas crackers..

But the chicken is mumsnet magic chicken. It gos on and on.

Extras are not allowed according to that list

They will also be here from Xmas eve till day after boxing day . So it's not even just the 1 meal.

OP posts:
DreamW3aver · 09/12/2024 19:32

ConfusedPuddle · 09/12/2024 14:05

I think asking for money is a bit crass. Why doesn't everyone bring a dish or 2? Bottle of drink?

The OP has already explained why money is the best option for her circs and personally I agree, who can be bothered with the hassle of sorting out who brings what and menu planning around that when you could do one shop to get everything

Not sure why money is crass but something bought with money isn't though

Dogsbreath7 · 09/12/2024 19:32

Any caring child wouldn’t want you to be under financial stress.

AngelicKaty · 09/12/2024 19:56

WombatChocolate · 09/12/2024 18:32

I’d imagine OP would like to offer more of a luxury meal to make it an occasion.

You could say that she could do a cheap meal and no booze and avoid asking for a contribution….well she probably could. But quite possibly bothbher and the kids would enjoy a more lavish meal as a once off and actually the kids would be prepared to contribute towards that.

Lots of people want to really go to town on Christmas Day..perhaps even moreso if the rest of the time, things are pretty hard. Perhaps in the past there has been lots of booze and all the trimmings and treats. You could say well, OP can’t afford that and must cut her coat to fit her cloth…..well yes and that’s an option, but the more special day might be the preferred option and the grown up kids might like to contribute to get it over the more meagre alternative.

It’s very unempathetic to struggle to imagine not being able to afford to put whatever you like in the trolley, or ever asking family to contribute or that anyone with more limited means might like or want something luxurious.

Christmas is really hard for lots of people….financially or emotionally or in terms of all the work required. We are talking about a family gathering here and not an invitation to barely known guests the OP has wanted to host but cannot afford to impress.

What exactly is wrong or improper about asking young adult kids who have money, when you don’t, to make a contribution? Wouldn’t we all hope to raise kids where by the time they’re 16, they have enough about them to understand things aren’t always easy and to WANT to play their role in the family? What kind of 17 year old who is asked to make a contribution would feeel outraged by it? And this sense of pride and not ever wanting to ask even family for help…..well it’s placed. There is no shame in asking for help from family. I really hope OP has now had the conversation with them and they have all instantly been prepared to contribute. But too many on this thread seem to think that to ask is a source of in credible shame and to ask a 17 year old is unforgivable. It’s infantilising to young adults.

SO well said!
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I4gotmyname · 09/12/2024 20:02

DreamW3aver · 09/12/2024 19:32

The OP has already explained why money is the best option for her circs and personally I agree, who can be bothered with the hassle of sorting out who brings what and menu planning around that when you could do one shop to get everything

Not sure why money is crass but something bought with money isn't though

Yes this is it. It would just cause more stress if we had to mess around like that . I would just add 45.00 worth of stuff to the shop which would get delivered

OP posts:
LuckySantangelo35 · 09/12/2024 20:11

Sunshine1500 · 09/12/2024 18:50

I think you should try feed them all dinner without asking for money.
it’s only one meal , they can bring their own alcohol and any special food they like.
i cut back on something else in order to feed my children a Christmas lunch/dinner

@Sunshine1500

yeah, it’s only one meal so they can all chip in surely?!

and what exactly do you think OP should be sacrificing for herself to fully fund this meal? She hardly sounds like she’s living in lavish luxury and squandering money on non- essentials. Toilet paper? Soap? Shampoo?

I4gotmyname · 09/12/2024 20:14

LuckySantangelo35 · 09/12/2024 20:11

@Sunshine1500

yeah, it’s only one meal so they can all chip in surely?!

and what exactly do you think OP should be sacrificing for herself to fully fund this meal? She hardly sounds like she’s living in lavish luxury and squandering money on non- essentials. Toilet paper? Soap? Shampoo?

It will be Xmas eve, Xmas day and boxing day . So it's even more of a bargain 🤣

OP posts:
LuckySantangelo35 · 09/12/2024 20:15

HoppingPavlova · 09/12/2024 06:35

@crumblingschools why wouldn’t 17yo drink alcohol?

Because they are 17yo. Because the legal drinking age is 18yo. Because you tell them not yo and by that time you have built up enough respect for them to listen?

I told all of mine they were crazy to drink before 25yo due to the way the brain keeps forming etc. After 25yo knock yourselves out. If they know one thing it’s that mums medical advice is usually spot on and I know what I’m talking about with such matters. All of mine but one actually did that. So, now I’ve got ones that don’t drink, got to 25yo and couldn’t be bothered to start. Ones that started at 25yo and drink normally or not much. And my one rebel who started on their 18th birthday and is my wild child, but having said that is absolutely no worse than anyone who unfortunately drank through more formative years. Having no alcohol until 18yo did not make them lose the plot and go crazy at 18, nor did it with anyone in their friendship group who all did the same, which is the excuse people often give when it’s too difficult to parent their teenagers. And no, they didn’t secretly drink in a park before 18yo🙄. I recall doing the pick up from a bar when the last one of their group turned 18yo with a well behaved group who ‘let’ their newest 18yo have two drinks over a night given the lack of experience with alcohol.

@HoppingPavlova

lol I bet they secretly drink loads and just don’t tell you to avoid your judgement

LuckySantangelo35 · 09/12/2024 20:21

I4gotmyname · 08/12/2024 23:53

Well you got that totally wrong

Edited

@RabbitsEatPancakes

yes you’re quite, OP shouldn’t offer to host if she cannot afford it all singlehanded. Then her offspring can eat beans on toast for Christmas dinner or some such similar seeing as they won’t go to the shops. Nice one.

Sunshine1500 · 09/12/2024 20:23

I4gotmyname · 09/12/2024 20:14

It will be Xmas eve, Xmas day and boxing day . So it's even more of a bargain 🤣

you asked opinions, of course you can ask for money. But my opinion is I wouldn’t ask my children to contribute financially for a dinner . You never said you were hosting for 3 days.

Sunshine1500 · 09/12/2024 20:26

LuckySantangelo35 · 09/12/2024 20:11

@Sunshine1500

yeah, it’s only one meal so they can all chip in surely?!

and what exactly do you think OP should be sacrificing for herself to fully fund this meal? She hardly sounds like she’s living in lavish luxury and squandering money on non- essentials. Toilet paper? Soap? Shampoo?

Of course she can ask, I personally wouldn’t just giving my opinion, that she asked for but then laughs with anyone saying they wouldn’t.

Minc · 09/12/2024 20:28

I4gotmyname · 09/12/2024 06:52

It's not illegal for under 18s to drink in a private setting .

Also in a restaurant with food from 16 years

I4gotmyname · 09/12/2024 20:30

Sunshine1500 · 09/12/2024 20:26

Of course she can ask, I personally wouldn’t just giving my opinion, that she asked for but then laughs with anyone saying they wouldn’t.

Why do you feel the need to twist what i have said /done . I have not laughed at anyone who has said they would not do it.

OP posts:
LuckySantangelo35 · 09/12/2024 20:30

Sunshine1500 · 09/12/2024 20:26

Of course she can ask, I personally wouldn’t just giving my opinion, that she asked for but then laughs with anyone saying they wouldn’t.

@Sunshine1500

but you might if you were in OP’s position and had little choice.

independentfriend · 09/12/2024 20:31

£15 for Christmas sounds entirely reasonable in your circumstances to me.

17 year old in supported accommodation needs to be taught how / supported to budget. Including helping to protect him from cuckooing / otherwise being taken advantage of by 'friends'. Is this something the support workers offer?

If not / if the financial mismanagement doesn't improve and it's because he 'can't' rather than 'won't' it's worth looking at asking the DWP to become his appointee so you can manage the money for him.

In your circumstances it's worth considering asking him to contribute to the cost of the food he's eating from your house. He's supposed to have to pay for food from his income. If you can afford to save it for him for later on, do that. But it sounds like you can't and need him to cover his own costs properly.

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