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Can I ask my kids to pay towards Xmas food shop.

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I4gotmyname · 08/12/2024 19:47

Would it be bad if I asked my 3 oldest, to give me 15.00 each towards the Xmas food shop. And ask them to pay for the alcohol. As I don't drink.

I'm struggling a bit this year . Not to a massive extent. But a bit of help would be nice. I feel bad though because they are my kids.

OP posts:
RockOrAHardplace · 09/12/2024 11:05

Sorry but some of the posters on here seem to live enchanted lives and need a reality check. Just because you wouldn't, doesn't mean she shouldn't if you take her circumstances into account.

Yes she choose to have kids, but unexpected things happen, income changes and no one can predict family members with health issues which means they are on long term benefits. With that comes extra responsibilities for the parent permanently, not just at Christmas.

She is struggling, this is not a normal Sunday lunch type meal with Chicken and veg, Its Christmas day, all the trimmings, drinks and ...yes...treats and the exchange of gifts.

What's wrong with aspiring to make it a lovely day for all and asking those with money (which includes the 17 year old with a substantial disposable income) from being asked to contribute...IF THEY CAN AFFORD IT - that was all she asked. A single guy with a decent income can afford to give his Mum the money he saves from providing for himself that day. Her Daughter and Grandkids, too - £15 is not much in the scale of things.

She makes it clear she has been funding it herself for years and has never asked before, read between the lines folks, she is giving her all and this year to celebrate in the way they are used to, she is struggling, yes she can economise and yes, she has made it clear she will if they cannot afford it, but how long does this go on for. Does she fund Christmas for eternity??? Not everyone has that luxury.

The 17 year old, has issues and struggles with shopping and lets be honest, kids (whether adult kids) will just bring what they want and not necessarily what is needed. It just makes it easier for the hostess to know what is coming by getting the money and managing it herself.

Some people (and I am not saying this is the OP) put themselves in debt to pay for Christmas presents and end up paying it off all year. I'd be mortified if I knew my Mum was struggling and I hadn't though to contribute.

And yes, my parents divorced and I was brought up in a single parent family. Three of us were brought into a world with the expectation that we would have two incomes in the house, but sadly that did not transpire. My Mum worked and brought three of us up, frequently putting us before her own needs . When I started working, the housing benefit she got (which was the only thing she got) was stopped because of my income. She simply didn't have the money to cover it, I had to move out or cough up. That was the reality of being on the breadline.

And actually, it taught me, at an early age, about money management and prioritising. Mum helped me when I was short and I helped here, that is what families do. Yes, I would have loved to live for free at home, living the high life, but not if it meant my Mum struggled.

Even as a mature adult, if my elderly invites us over for a meal, I offer money or take the joint of meat etc. She only has a basic state pension and she would turn off the heating until we arrive so she has money to treat us if she thought she could get away with it. That is what Mums do. But when there is money available, elsewhere, then the burden needs to be shared.

I think the OP is a pretty amazing woman, still wanting to provide for her kids even as adults. Big Hugs OP - as I said before, follow your gut instinct, they are your family. Have a fantastic Christmas. x

Reallybadidea · 09/12/2024 11:14

I4gotmyname · 09/12/2024 10:52

There's alot wrong with me apparently

I think you need to bear in mind when you read some of these responses, that not everyone replies in good faith. Lots of people aren't posting to try and help you, they want to find a way to feel better about themselves and one way of doing that is to find someone who they can make themselves feel superior too. And so they punch down because it makes them feel better about their own shitty life. You sound like a loving mum who is doing her best for all her children and who can do more as a parent than that? Flowers

I4gotmyname · 09/12/2024 11:26

RockOrAHardplace · 09/12/2024 11:05

Sorry but some of the posters on here seem to live enchanted lives and need a reality check. Just because you wouldn't, doesn't mean she shouldn't if you take her circumstances into account.

Yes she choose to have kids, but unexpected things happen, income changes and no one can predict family members with health issues which means they are on long term benefits. With that comes extra responsibilities for the parent permanently, not just at Christmas.

She is struggling, this is not a normal Sunday lunch type meal with Chicken and veg, Its Christmas day, all the trimmings, drinks and ...yes...treats and the exchange of gifts.

What's wrong with aspiring to make it a lovely day for all and asking those with money (which includes the 17 year old with a substantial disposable income) from being asked to contribute...IF THEY CAN AFFORD IT - that was all she asked. A single guy with a decent income can afford to give his Mum the money he saves from providing for himself that day. Her Daughter and Grandkids, too - £15 is not much in the scale of things.

She makes it clear she has been funding it herself for years and has never asked before, read between the lines folks, she is giving her all and this year to celebrate in the way they are used to, she is struggling, yes she can economise and yes, she has made it clear she will if they cannot afford it, but how long does this go on for. Does she fund Christmas for eternity??? Not everyone has that luxury.

The 17 year old, has issues and struggles with shopping and lets be honest, kids (whether adult kids) will just bring what they want and not necessarily what is needed. It just makes it easier for the hostess to know what is coming by getting the money and managing it herself.

Some people (and I am not saying this is the OP) put themselves in debt to pay for Christmas presents and end up paying it off all year. I'd be mortified if I knew my Mum was struggling and I hadn't though to contribute.

And yes, my parents divorced and I was brought up in a single parent family. Three of us were brought into a world with the expectation that we would have two incomes in the house, but sadly that did not transpire. My Mum worked and brought three of us up, frequently putting us before her own needs . When I started working, the housing benefit she got (which was the only thing she got) was stopped because of my income. She simply didn't have the money to cover it, I had to move out or cough up. That was the reality of being on the breadline.

And actually, it taught me, at an early age, about money management and prioritising. Mum helped me when I was short and I helped here, that is what families do. Yes, I would have loved to live for free at home, living the high life, but not if it meant my Mum struggled.

Even as a mature adult, if my elderly invites us over for a meal, I offer money or take the joint of meat etc. She only has a basic state pension and she would turn off the heating until we arrive so she has money to treat us if she thought she could get away with it. That is what Mums do. But when there is money available, elsewhere, then the burden needs to be shared.

I think the OP is a pretty amazing woman, still wanting to provide for her kids even as adults. Big Hugs OP - as I said before, follow your gut instinct, they are your family. Have a fantastic Christmas. x

Edited

Thank you so much for posting that. You also sound like a lovely person . Thank you for reading my posts and understanding. O think my children will be ok with me asking. I'm probably just over thinking because I have always just done it and have never asked. And it feels a bit odd.

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I4gotmyname · 09/12/2024 11:29

Reallybadidea · 09/12/2024 11:14

I think you need to bear in mind when you read some of these responses, that not everyone replies in good faith. Lots of people aren't posting to try and help you, they want to find a way to feel better about themselves and one way of doing that is to find someone who they can make themselves feel superior too. And so they punch down because it makes them feel better about their own shitty life. You sound like a loving mum who is doing her best for all her children and who can do more as a parent than that? Flowers

Yeah I know. It says much more about that person. I guess if some feel the need to do that . Then maybe they are not in a good place.

OP posts:
AngelicKaty · 09/12/2024 11:43

RockOrAHardplace · 09/12/2024 11:05

Sorry but some of the posters on here seem to live enchanted lives and need a reality check. Just because you wouldn't, doesn't mean she shouldn't if you take her circumstances into account.

Yes she choose to have kids, but unexpected things happen, income changes and no one can predict family members with health issues which means they are on long term benefits. With that comes extra responsibilities for the parent permanently, not just at Christmas.

She is struggling, this is not a normal Sunday lunch type meal with Chicken and veg, Its Christmas day, all the trimmings, drinks and ...yes...treats and the exchange of gifts.

What's wrong with aspiring to make it a lovely day for all and asking those with money (which includes the 17 year old with a substantial disposable income) from being asked to contribute...IF THEY CAN AFFORD IT - that was all she asked. A single guy with a decent income can afford to give his Mum the money he saves from providing for himself that day. Her Daughter and Grandkids, too - £15 is not much in the scale of things.

She makes it clear she has been funding it herself for years and has never asked before, read between the lines folks, she is giving her all and this year to celebrate in the way they are used to, she is struggling, yes she can economise and yes, she has made it clear she will if they cannot afford it, but how long does this go on for. Does she fund Christmas for eternity??? Not everyone has that luxury.

The 17 year old, has issues and struggles with shopping and lets be honest, kids (whether adult kids) will just bring what they want and not necessarily what is needed. It just makes it easier for the hostess to know what is coming by getting the money and managing it herself.

Some people (and I am not saying this is the OP) put themselves in debt to pay for Christmas presents and end up paying it off all year. I'd be mortified if I knew my Mum was struggling and I hadn't though to contribute.

And yes, my parents divorced and I was brought up in a single parent family. Three of us were brought into a world with the expectation that we would have two incomes in the house, but sadly that did not transpire. My Mum worked and brought three of us up, frequently putting us before her own needs . When I started working, the housing benefit she got (which was the only thing she got) was stopped because of my income. She simply didn't have the money to cover it, I had to move out or cough up. That was the reality of being on the breadline.

And actually, it taught me, at an early age, about money management and prioritising. Mum helped me when I was short and I helped here, that is what families do. Yes, I would have loved to live for free at home, living the high life, but not if it meant my Mum struggled.

Even as a mature adult, if my elderly invites us over for a meal, I offer money or take the joint of meat etc. She only has a basic state pension and she would turn off the heating until we arrive so she has money to treat us if she thought she could get away with it. That is what Mums do. But when there is money available, elsewhere, then the burden needs to be shared.

I think the OP is a pretty amazing woman, still wanting to provide for her kids even as adults. Big Hugs OP - as I said before, follow your gut instinct, they are your family. Have a fantastic Christmas. x

Edited

🤗 What a GREAT post! 👏👏👏Insightful, understanding and compassionate (and frankly, a pleasure to read such a common sense viewpoint after some of the ignorant and plain nasty comments on here). Thank you. From what you've written about your history I suspect you're a pretty amazing woman too. 🤗

lovemycbf · 09/12/2024 12:31

Personally I wouldn't ask for money as it doesn't sit right with me,if you host you should buy everything as Christmas can be done on a budget food wise if necessary

addictedtotheflats · 09/12/2024 13:36

Absolutely. My Brother and I are giving my hosting DM £100 this year and ill bring my own alcohol.

RockOrAHardplace · 09/12/2024 13:37

genesis92 · 08/12/2024 21:33

You seem to have a lot of kids?

What has that got to do with it! Its irrelevant except for they need feeding.

crumblingschools · 09/12/2024 13:59

@lovemycbf but if you are already having to budget for food, might not be so easy to feed extra mouths.

lovemycbf · 09/12/2024 14:00

crumblingschools · 09/12/2024 13:59

@lovemycbf but if you are already having to budget for food, might not be so easy to feed extra mouths.

Very true

ConfusedPuddle · 09/12/2024 14:05

I think asking for money is a bit crass. Why doesn't everyone bring a dish or 2? Bottle of drink?

Fartooold · 09/12/2024 14:12

Can't be arsed with all the sniping, so skipped to the end - if someone's already suggested this, apologies😁

I would just say something along the lines of

' it's getting blooming expensive feeding you lot, so how about everyone sharing the cost of the turkey this year? If we all chuck £15 in each, that should do it. Oh, and I'm buying myself some fancy cordial to drink, so just bring whatever you fancy'

mindutopia · 09/12/2024 14:14

Totally fine, £15-20 for each is very reasonable if they’re there for the day (Xmas lunch, snacks, cheese, chocolates, pudding) and ask them to bring any alcohol they want to drink. I’m not sure I’d feel comfortable asking a 17 year old on PIP though.

RockOrAHardplace · 09/12/2024 14:29

lovemycbf · 09/12/2024 12:31

Personally I wouldn't ask for money as it doesn't sit right with me,if you host you should buy everything as Christmas can be done on a budget food wise if necessary

But what you suggest is what is being offered - if you give me a bit of money it will be better, if you don't, you are still welcome and we will make do. Very fair comment.

There is hosting, as in you decide to throw a party....no-one does that unless they have the money do they, so of course you don't ask for money - but events like Christmas and birthdays, well just because she is their Mother, doesn't mean that when the kids are financially independent, that they shouldn't be asked to contribute if things are tight. She could be telling them she cannot afford to host, one of them should take a turn (sound like they have more money) - but she isn't.

And some times (which isn't the case here) its not a financial option to host others because they are struggling to meet their financial obligations without the added expense of Christmas.

AngelicKaty · 09/12/2024 15:49

@mindutopia "I'm not sure I'd feel comfortable asking a 17 year old on PIP though."
Do you mind me asking why?

AngelicKaty · 09/12/2024 16:11

lovemycbf · 09/12/2024 12:31

Personally I wouldn't ask for money as it doesn't sit right with me,if you host you should buy everything as Christmas can be done on a budget food wise if necessary

"It doesn't sit right" with you? Well, maybe you are in the fortunate position of being able to feed five extra mouths at Christmas, but not everyone can. The point is, OP doesn't choose to host - her three older children just expect to come to her without actually being invited, or offering to contribute to ease her financial burden at a very expensive time of year (and in a cost of living crisis). It's quite likely they've always "gone to mum's" for Christmas day and have never even considered the additional burden that places on her. OP has posted that she doesn't think her children will object to helping out financially, but she feels guilty about even having to ask them (presumably because she's managed in the past, but this year it's just too much). Her alternatives would be to (a) go into debt to provide for them, or (b) tell them she can't afford to "host" this year and they'll have to organise their own Christmas lunches separately. I bet if she chose B they'd be digging in their pockets immediately, but maybe you think she should go into debt as matter of principle because she's the "host"? Honestly, this is supposed to be the season of goodwill. If you can't ask your family for some help at Christmas (to give them a good Christmas day!) when can you?

Topsyturvy78 · 09/12/2024 17:21

lovemycbf · 09/12/2024 12:31

Personally I wouldn't ask for money as it doesn't sit right with me,if you host you should buy everything as Christmas can be done on a budget food wise if necessary

Why should it have to be done on a budget? If the adult DC can contribute it means the OP doesn't have to scrimp and save. The host financing everything because she's there mother is an old fashioned point of POV.

changeme4this · 09/12/2024 17:58

I get that you and your DD don’t want to take children shopping at this time of year, but don’t your supermarkets offer click and collect or home delivery?

eatingandeating24 · 09/12/2024 17:58

Of course you can and should. This is about "sharing", "bonding" -- and the kids taking SOME "responsibility" for what is indeed (the planning process of) a festive and a thoroughly enjoyable event. 😀

Batteredcodmushypeasandafalafal · 09/12/2024 18:10

I don't understand half of the replies you've had on here, everyone is so antagonistic and accusatory. I think it's perfectly fine to ask for £15 from them all for Christmas, it's not a lot each but would really help you and you can all have a good christmas together without worrying about money. Being a special needs mum is hard, especially on your own. Go for it and ask them.

starlight889 · 09/12/2024 18:15

I just went onto Tesco to see if I could do this. I counted for more than 4 due to there being children (not sure how many though?)

For £30.86 I managed to do dinner, pudding and a few christmas snacks.

Whole large chicken - £4
Potatoes - 79p
Sprouts - 85p
Carrots - 44p
Parsnips - 75p
Honey - 75p
Stuffing mix - 45p
Gravy granules - 73p
20 Pigs in blankets - £3.50
Yorkshire puddings - £1.75

Yule log - £2.75
Double cream - £1.15

Mini muffins - £2.75
Christmas tree tortilla chips - £1.35
Dips - £3.20
Cheese ball crisps - £1
Pretzel and cracker mix - £1.65

Coke zero x2 - £3

A decent lunch with pudding and a few snacks for £30.

IWantAShitzu · 09/12/2024 18:19

I4gotmyname · 09/12/2024 11:29

Yeah I know. It says much more about that person. I guess if some feel the need to do that . Then maybe they are not in a good place.

These comments are wild.
It’s not like the OP is expecting them to cough up £100 out of their arse to contribute. It’s £15, I would happily pay that for someone else to host Christmas dinner and snacks etc. as well as the effort that goes into it. Even at 17 I would think it’s perfectly reasonable, and I had a lot less money than that at 17 and I worked full time!

Sometimesright · 09/12/2024 18:28

SelfCareBear · 08/12/2024 19:48

Just don't buy any alcohol then, if you don't drink. That'll cut the costs. If they want any, they can buy it themselves.

This! That way you will only have in what they will drink. Maybe rather than asking for money get them to buy all the bits they love. Mine were happy to do that xx

WombatChocolate · 09/12/2024 18:32

starlight889 · 09/12/2024 18:15

I just went onto Tesco to see if I could do this. I counted for more than 4 due to there being children (not sure how many though?)

For £30.86 I managed to do dinner, pudding and a few christmas snacks.

Whole large chicken - £4
Potatoes - 79p
Sprouts - 85p
Carrots - 44p
Parsnips - 75p
Honey - 75p
Stuffing mix - 45p
Gravy granules - 73p
20 Pigs in blankets - £3.50
Yorkshire puddings - £1.75

Yule log - £2.75
Double cream - £1.15

Mini muffins - £2.75
Christmas tree tortilla chips - £1.35
Dips - £3.20
Cheese ball crisps - £1
Pretzel and cracker mix - £1.65

Coke zero x2 - £3

A decent lunch with pudding and a few snacks for £30.

I’d imagine OP would like to offer more of a luxury meal to make it an occasion.

You could say that she could do a cheap meal and no booze and avoid asking for a contribution….well she probably could. But quite possibly bothbher and the kids would enjoy a more lavish meal as a once off and actually the kids would be prepared to contribute towards that.

Lots of people want to really go to town on Christmas Day..perhaps even moreso if the rest of the time, things are pretty hard. Perhaps in the past there has been lots of booze and all the trimmings and treats. You could say well, OP can’t afford that and must cut her coat to fit her cloth…..well yes and that’s an option, but the more special day might be the preferred option and the grown up kids might like to contribute to get it over the more meagre alternative.

It’s very unempathetic to struggle to imagine not being able to afford to put whatever you like in the trolley, or ever asking family to contribute or that anyone with more limited means might like or want something luxurious.

Christmas is really hard for lots of people….financially or emotionally or in terms of all the work required. We are talking about a family gathering here and not an invitation to barely known guests the OP has wanted to host but cannot afford to impress.

What exactly is wrong or improper about asking young adult kids who have money, when you don’t, to make a contribution? Wouldn’t we all hope to raise kids where by the time they’re 16, they have enough about them to understand things aren’t always easy and to WANT to play their role in the family? What kind of 17 year old who is asked to make a contribution would feeel outraged by it? And this sense of pride and not ever wanting to ask even family for help…..well it’s placed. There is no shame in asking for help from family. I really hope OP has now had the conversation with them and they have all instantly been prepared to contribute. But too many on this thread seem to think that to ask is a source of in credible shame and to ask a 17 year old is unforgivable. It’s infantilising to young adults.

starlight889 · 09/12/2024 18:38

WombatChocolate · 09/12/2024 18:32

I’d imagine OP would like to offer more of a luxury meal to make it an occasion.

You could say that she could do a cheap meal and no booze and avoid asking for a contribution….well she probably could. But quite possibly bothbher and the kids would enjoy a more lavish meal as a once off and actually the kids would be prepared to contribute towards that.

Lots of people want to really go to town on Christmas Day..perhaps even moreso if the rest of the time, things are pretty hard. Perhaps in the past there has been lots of booze and all the trimmings and treats. You could say well, OP can’t afford that and must cut her coat to fit her cloth…..well yes and that’s an option, but the more special day might be the preferred option and the grown up kids might like to contribute to get it over the more meagre alternative.

It’s very unempathetic to struggle to imagine not being able to afford to put whatever you like in the trolley, or ever asking family to contribute or that anyone with more limited means might like or want something luxurious.

Christmas is really hard for lots of people….financially or emotionally or in terms of all the work required. We are talking about a family gathering here and not an invitation to barely known guests the OP has wanted to host but cannot afford to impress.

What exactly is wrong or improper about asking young adult kids who have money, when you don’t, to make a contribution? Wouldn’t we all hope to raise kids where by the time they’re 16, they have enough about them to understand things aren’t always easy and to WANT to play their role in the family? What kind of 17 year old who is asked to make a contribution would feeel outraged by it? And this sense of pride and not ever wanting to ask even family for help…..well it’s placed. There is no shame in asking for help from family. I really hope OP has now had the conversation with them and they have all instantly been prepared to contribute. But too many on this thread seem to think that to ask is a source of in credible shame and to ask a 17 year old is unforgivable. It’s infantilising to young adults.

None of this reply to me was necessary. I am not disagreeing with you, I was simply seeing if it could be done and comment my findings as the person asked seemed not to do (unless I missed it).

Whilst I would never ask my children to contribute, I 100% get why some would and why some need to. As a daughter, I would a thousand percent help my mum out whether it’s for a joint christmas dinner or any other time of the year.

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