Anyone else feeling annoyed at how backwards the world is going?

[Littlemissgobby]

Heard on the radio about how so many women in Scandinavian countries are becoming trad wives.
These are not just stay at home mums these are believing in the whole men work and women stay at home . Very traditional gender split.
Then on the radio talking now how many young men are following reform. A backlash against feminism and of course same old thing angry young men are attracted to the far right as they tell them it's everyone else to blame for their problems.
Andrew tate bollox a form of radicalisation which farage has jumped on.
I just find all this depressing.
Even listening today about how them footballers didn't want a pride flag on their kit.
You can't catch being gay. We haven't even had a fully committed gay footballer at the top as there is alot of homophonia amongst fans
I just find this a backward slide do you?

I my opinion some views should be shamed. Misogyny, racism and homophobia aren't opinions I particularly want to see tolerated.

Incels are also entitled to their opinions but unfortunately for them, the UK has classed their ideology as terrorism.

The football drive to stamp out homophobia entails more than wearing colourful T shirts and professional footballers are seen as ambassadors for the sport.

Many people look up to them. I remember when Ronaldo said you shouldn't drink coke and shares fell almost immediately.

I strongly believe in stamping out hate and discrimination however, I can see how not being able to express those views are seen as fascism for some.

Such right-wing fake sanctimony - ignoring the awful realities faced by so many by suggesting its ok because they're in the minority - a minority you can't even see is growing rapidly because you're so committed to your own position in favour of the continuation of slow-burn failure that's about to get a lot faster... largely through ignorance.

Might make football a bit more interesting if players exercised their right to personal choice and turned up to play wearing whatever colours they liked, no?

Thinking things through ftw.

I see the world through the lens of three-quarters of a century. Believe me, those who think we've gone backwards should have lived through the post-war period and the 60s-70s-80s. The battles we pioneering feminists had to make our voices heard would make your hair curl. No contraception for unmarried women, no sex-education at school, no rights to opening one's own bank account as a married woman, nor to take on hire-purchase without a male guarantor...even if the woman was the breadwinner (shock, horror!) and the man unemployed. No married women accepted at teachers' training colleges, no married women employed, blatant sexisem in every field. Women valued only for their looks, not their abilities, and no possibility of come-back over sexual harrassment. I was interested in pursuing a male-dominated career, but on speaking with my tutor, he ran his hands up my thighs, saying "why does a pretty little thing like you want to do a dirty job like that?" Another tutor, during a Viva, stood behind me, running his hands up and down my back, murmuring "Ah, petite Polly, comme tu es belle comme une rêve"...If one said anything one would have been automatically failed. Someone commented about children dying of preventable diseases...ours was the first generation to be given the Salk vaccine, and other vaccinations follwed later...no mother would ever have denied her child the chance to avoid the fearful illnesses that had carried away so many children. Nowadays the woke ones deny the efficacy of the life-saving procedures our mothers blessed their developers for.

Absolutely agree with this.

sadly while that may have been true 10 years ago, life expectancy is reducing, water quality has declined, and continues to do so, infant mortality saw a small uptick for the first time since the 1980s, a third of children in the UK live in poverty. The only good news story is that female enrolment is increasing globally (though we all know that that peters out when entering the workforce - all women have been working ‘for free’ since November 20th to the end of the year. There is a general trend towards declining standards

https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/231119/life-expectancy-declining-many-english-communities/
https://www.sheffield.ac.uk/healthy-lifespan/news/new-research-reveals-link-between-air-pollution-and-water-quality-and-people-having-multiple-long
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-024-02621-0
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/childhoodinfantandperinatalmortalityinenglandandwales/2022#trends-in-child-and-infant-mortality

It basically comes down to the fact that insulting people's opinions, insulting religions and being in favour of forcing people to follow your opinions, will never win anyone over.

This thread being the excellent example with one group saying you need to respect people's freedom of belief, freedom of choice, and the other group being racist, dictatorial, islamophobic and frankly insulting ('sky fairy'). Sadly the group showing dictorial tendencies is on the left side of the political spectrum and then wonders why people favour the right....

I see this with some MRAs who like to say women asked for the trans nonsense because 'it's what feminists wanted', therefore they're not going to help. 🙄 Feminists are of course a hive mind and of course there's no difference in the varying schools of thought! (Found it an A-level page explaining the differences, was sorely tempted to send it to this individual.)

Well OP, you mentioned the Arla milk thing and I didn't really know about it so I did some research. Still not sure if it will harm us, although more chemicals being consumed doesn't sound great, but heartbreakingly the cows being treated with it are on

Sorry pressed enter too early. The cows can only graze for three hours a day, or it doesn't work as well. Locked up for 21 hours out of every 24. Does that bother you, or is it fine as long as you get a burger at the end?

Okay, I was really cross when I posted last night.
I'm going to have a go at explaining why I think your attitude to Mazraoui is racist.
Mazraoui has said that he doesn't want to wear the rainbow warm up jersey, and that his reasons are connected with his religious faith. That's it. Anything more we surmise is a guess, Mazraoui hasn't explained his reasons further. And he, quite notably, hasn't said anything homophobic at all.
Maybe (like many people of all faiths and none) he associates the rainbow pride flag with pride parades, and he doesn't approve of public displays of sexual fetishism and feels he would be lending tacit approval to such acts by wearing a rainbow warm up jersey.
Maybe he's an areshole who whips teammates on the arse with a wet towel when they're getting changed and calls them p*ftr freaks the moment he gets wind of them possibly being gay.
We don't know. But you think that you can tell, you think you do know. I think that's because he's brown, and muslim. You have a feeling that "they all think the same" and because you've talked to one or two Muslims who have expressed homophobic beliefs, therefore you don't need to listen to Mazraoui. He's not an individual to you, with his own particular take on things. He's just one of those people, and that means he's most likely a homophobe. That's racism.

@Littlemissgobby "You might as well just come out and say. I don't agree with people being gay.
Why not do that? Why not be honest? That's the problem with me, it's a dishonesty"
@TofuTart "Yes, as I said upthread if people do that, at least they're just owning it and coming out with it.
More respect for those as after all, it's their beliefs"
This strikes me as really odd. You want to goad people with personal beliefs that are hostile to gay relationships into speaking those opinions in public?
To what end? You get to prove your righteous credentials by tarring and feathering them in response? Meanwhile gay people just feel a bit more shit about themselves, and a little less welcome in society?
The way for us to rub along in a world where different people believe different lives, and live from different values, is to respect that some of our beliefs don't need to be expressed to people who have a very different world view and way of life.
Not to force the very worst opinions out of other people, so that you get to feel like the holiest of all!

You basically said that we don’t know what he thinks as he didn’t go into details and it will be a guess, then you go on saying some made up stuff about op’s interactions with Muslim people and that could have shaped her views and so on. Also you imply that if he was white and Muslim she would be ok with his statement, again based on some made up stories about her possible past experiences.

This strikes me as really odd. You want to goad people with personal beliefs that are hostile to gay relationships into speaking those opinions in public?

I've never said that anywhere, I don't want to goad anyone.
Just if you don't agree with being gay, you should at least stand by your opinions. Everyone who wants to show their support isn't just doing it to be "holy" or "woke" or whatever, it's important to some to want to call out/stop racism or homophobia when they hear it/see it.

Everyone who wants to show their support isn't just doing it to be "holy" or "woke" or whatever

Quite a few are though.

part of societies issue with speaking as you believed, even if legal, still gets you in the position of being cancelled by society so to speak, because of not following the new correct political ideas of x time period etc

Just if you don't agree with being gay, you should at least stand by your opinions.

Why should he have to make a public statement of it? It's his religious belief. As long as he doesn't harass or discriminate against gay, lesbian or bisexual people, that should be enough.

@ThePerkyDuck Here's the relevant post of Littlemissgobby from earlier in the thread
"Littlemissgobby · Today 00:25
Really so a Muslim person not wanting to wear a pride flag is because they don't agree with being gay . Oh they might not be nasty to gay people but fundamentally their religion teaches them it's not right.
I am perfectly fine with Muslim people but I do know this is right I have spoken to them"
Suggests to me she only needs to speak to a few Muslim people to see inside the minds of every Muslim person on the planet?
But fair point, it could be that Littlemissgobby would be just as prejudiced about a white Muslim person as black or brown. Maybe xenophobia is a better word that racism. I'm not sure, though. Of all the examples of bad things in the world at the moment, she chose the actions of a minoritised, racialised man in the UK.

Actually this is already past political ideas. The new political ideas are what the likes of Trump, Farage, Musk are promoting, you will be quite harshly criticised and attacked if you do not agree with them.

The new political ideas are what the likes of Trump, Farage, Musk are promoting, you will be quite harshly criticised and attacked if you do not agree with them.

As opposed to being harshly criticised and attacked if you don't agree with what more left leaning people want. Isn't it better that no one is harshly criticised and attacked?

Ah but only the 'viewpoints' you deem acceptable of course....?

Edit: this is in reply to @TofuTart

I really disagree, I'm afraid.
I just don't see what's to be gained from egging people on to talk lots in public arenas about how they believe, e.g. that sex between two men is a sin.
Why encourage people to go on about it when gay men will then have to hear it?
And if that is what Mazouri believes then kudos to him for leaving his public statement at "religious reasons." He has a massive platform as a Man U player, and could have given all sorts of opinions that would have got air time. He chose to say the minimum possible to communicate his choice of action and left it at that. In my opinion, that's to be praised.

I personally do not agree that if a person criticises a religion it makes them xenophobic. If she would have protested in front of a Mosque or creating petitions to ban a particular religion then it would have been a different story.

I agree people should be able to criticise religions, and other metaphysical and pseudoscientific worldviews. Again, it's part of freedom of speech. I don't want my speech compelled by what others want.

but thats part of the oddity of society you can be free to say x within reason and legally, but if its not the general views of x groups then people soon disagree and say u should believe in x instead so to speak