Anyone else feeling annoyed at how backwards the world is going?

[Littlemissgobby]

Heard on the radio about how so many women in Scandinavian countries are becoming trad wives.
These are not just stay at home mums these are believing in the whole men work and women stay at home . Very traditional gender split.
Then on the radio talking now how many young men are following reform. A backlash against feminism and of course same old thing angry young men are attracted to the far right as they tell them it's everyone else to blame for their problems.
Andrew tate bollox a form of radicalisation which farage has jumped on.
I just find all this depressing.
Even listening today about how them footballers didn't want a pride flag on their kit.
You can't catch being gay. We haven't even had a fully committed gay footballer at the top as there is alot of homophonia amongst fans
I just find this a backward slide do you?

Have you been to pride marches? Because I'll show you a shitload of lesbian and gay people that are very happy with Stone wall and they don't believe they are homophobic at all. I do believe it's been used as a shutdown.
To try to put a wedge between the lgbt people.
I don't think vast majority of l.gbt, people will fall for that some will and some won't. That's my opinion on that subject. Because i'm sick of talking about that particular subject of trans.It's everywhere.People started on here straight away.And i'm sick of it

Hopefully we'll have a bunch of left wing female powerhouses who take over and rule the world - I'd be happy with that, and I'm male 🤣

😏 Yes, I imagine the people at pride marches don't think stonewall is regressive. Because the non believing gays and lesbians have been driven out. Quite literally on occasions.

So that would make you Islamophobic then.

sunds a good plan but then remember females are not perfect too : Countess Elizabeth Báthory of Ecsed

No, it doesn't. I'm not against people that are Muslim. Will I criticise their religion? Yes, do I criticise any religion?Yes, I do.
There are, in fact, actual muslims that are at pride, not all muslims agree with what this gentleman does

You've been told many times that correlation does not equal causation.

@Littlemissgobby (user name really suits you by the way)

we live in a free country, people have the right to say what they wish unless breaking a law, and refusing to wear a armband does not fall foul of any law

Whatever anyone thinks, and I agree that being gay is not a choice it’s just who you are, many people choose to believe in religious document that states man shall not lay with man. That’s their choice, and whatever your thoughts you have to accept that , or you become just as intolerant as you seem to think they are

Oh, she sounds fun 😁

You might as well just come out and say. I don't agree with people being gay
Yes, as I said upthread if people do that, at least they're just owning it and coming out with it.
More respect for those as after all, it's their beliefs, instead of all the " what about the children, children shouldn't know about gay relationships etc" (LGB) "they're erasing women" (T (trans) "they hate you" (men) etc
Just come out and state your personal flavour of bigotry instead of trying to drag everyone into your personal" "truth"

I think it comes from a childhood that was forced in a religion, so I am very now anti. Religious, I think i've become like these smokers are anti.Smokers because they stop smoking
That being said, I do get a little bit p*** staff that we do not tackle this enough. We don't sit with these people, particularly those people that were outside that school protesting, because they didn't want their children to have sex education and they were muslims, I really get annoyed with this that we do need to be clamping down a bit

Well, I was on the debate about assisted death, and it's the same people who don't want the assisted death, they hide about it because of their religion.They're just not open to say.That's why they don't agree with it.
Of course, some people won't agree with it for other reasons, but the ones that do hide behind their religion.It really annoys me

That's the thing, though. You're entitled to believe that man can't lie with man.
So don't do it personally then.
Why does that mean that you or others get to say that everyone can't as a result? That's where the problem lies.
Live and let live.. Corny, but true.

Well, I'm an atheist. In a family of atheists. And I think that assisted dying is too risky in this flawed society and that progressive flags represent their own faith based belief systems which are incredibly regressive.

Why does that mean that you or others get to say that everyone can't as a result? That's where the problem lies.
Live and let live.. Corny, but true.

This is not about saying what other people can do with regards to their sexual orientation, it's about a religious man not wanting to publicly affirm that he agrees with something that he believes due to his religion is wrong. That's his right. You don't have to agree. You can't make him agree with you. Live and let live indeed.

What if you were forced to affirm something you strongly disagreed with? Bet you'd grasp it then.

You have absolutely no evidence of this, you are creating your own narrative. All the information I've read shows they willingly supported him then informed the club of the decision. You also make a massive assumption that they were willing to wear it before, instead of felt pressured to. I believe they probably felt relieved with Mazouri stood against it. It allowed them to finally speak up, too.

I'm a feminist. Women's rights is a very important issue for me. I still believe people shouldn't be forced to wear the suffragette colours or a "this is what a feminist looks like" t shirt or any other thing if they don't want to do so.

Still there should be no compulsion to wear a stripy armband. Footballers might have reasons why they won't That is their business
and they have the right to refuse. That right to make free Choices in life is very important.

So you're saying you want a law to force against wrongthink, and to make wrong thought and opinions a crime?

Just stop a minute here. You're coming across as a fascist with wanting to control people's beliefs and thoughts.

Do you not realise you sound like a religious zealot yourself with all this talk of 'clamping down' on what people should be able to believe or think and forcing people to wear items that display your beliefs and not their own?

This thread descended into bickering quickly. I was hoping to read an interesting thread and gave up after a few pages.

@Littlemissgobby

I will accept that, but I just don't think it's a belief. Religion is a belief being gay is not. I just feel that since we're in the 21st century, we don't even have a professional footballer. I don't believe who is gay. That is openly come out and done it.

I'm sure you do in the women's league. In my country, at least, the players in women's league - even the national side - have several high-profile LGB players. I suppose the women don't count here/shouldn't be supported? 🧐

Some 'wrongthought' is a crime. It's a crime to incite violence and hatred against certain characteristics.

There is a lot of homophobia in football. Recently Hungarian fans had a huge homophobic banner at a game. There's also a lot of homophobic chanting.

There's been a big movement to stamp out homophobia and footballers are asked to support that as they're seen as role models.

However I see your point - homophobia is a valid opinion and people should be allowed to have those opinions.

Personally I feel that homophobia is a very bad opinion to have. Gay people having rights doesn't take anything away from anyone. I spent a lot of time in my own country when marriage equality was being brought in to advocate for same sex marriage. The problem is though, we can't legislate how people think. Well, until we get to the stage of microchipping our brains.

I think that stamping out homophobia is sports is a necessary thing, I just genuinely don't see how armbands and jerseys achieves this. Because all it does is lead to those who won't comply to be shamed and bullied. This will lead to resentment, and that's not how we win over people.

I genuinely don't know what the solution is, but I do fear that a culture of bullying, coercion and shame only leads to people fighting against it and then you get the likes of Trump.

The Taliban have stepped up their repression of women. In Afghanistan training for women to be midwives has been cancelled. It’s unbelievable.