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Uni suicide - tragedy but is this the only recourse for women that experience assault ?

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mids2019 · 12/11/2024 06:34

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14060637/Oxford-University-student-20-killed-cancelled-female-friend-told-pals-felt-uncomfortable-sexual-encounter.hotlink

Superficially this is a tragedy and the sites is was the major factor for that led to it. However given the extremely low probability of criminal conviction of the university acting from a disciplinary point of view are women justified in using ostracism as the only till they have left for justice and as a warning to others that may consider assault a crime where there are in reality limited chance of consequence?

The woman concerned comes across as psychologically cruel and the coroner warns against 'cancel culture' but there seems more to this and perhaps the woman concerned was justified in talking to their friendship group at the very least as warning to other woemn?

Is this the social equivalent of a lunch mob with no proven guilt or the actions of a woman who knew there is typically no justice from authorities in such cases?

Student killed himself after woman told pals about 'uncomfortable' sex

Alexander Rogers, 20, was frozen out after he had sex with a female friend who then told other male students at Corpus Christi College that she felt 'discomfort' about the encounter.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14060637/Oxford-University-student-20-killed-cancelled-female-friend-told-pals-felt-uncomfortable-sexual-encounter.html

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ThatllBeTheDay · 16/11/2024 19:35

Why would it be more usual to confide in female friends in a mixed gender friendship group? I think that that's an out of date view, shaped by your own experiences. My DC all have friendship groups where the strength of the bond isn't determined by gender.

ThatllBeTheDay · 16/11/2024 19:47

That said, I have an equal number of daughters and sons and they all went to the same mixed school, before going on to mixed colleges at uni. So probably that's shaped them to be very neutral.

ThatllBeTheDay · 16/11/2024 19:49

But yes, all I mean is that not much can be read into confiding in boys rather than girls in this context.

I certainly agree with the rest of your post.

Incredibly sad for everyone involved.

mids2019 · 17/11/2024 05:55

It was a tragedy and the coroner as focussing on the young man involved so surely he would have to be very careful about the wording when reporting. As pp have rightly said this was not an investigation into potential sexual assault so the coroner has to choose words to not explicitly lay guilt, hence 'uncomfortable sex'.

However women should not experience 'uncomfortable sex' and I do think the term was used euphemistically and there is a possibility a boundary was crossed. We're the men involved enraged simply about the sex or what happened during the sex? When does simply having sex make something unforgivebale? Men are continually having affairs yet very few consider suicide because they feel it unforgivable.

Perhaps ostracism does have a purpose when as said previously formal channels do not deliver justice. I have read articles where women have sent to university authorities to complain about assault and the man fully aware of the complaint is upheld would possibly mean the police charging him have had their parents brings in very expensive legal teams to quickly derail the complaint process. It has often been mentioned that a complaint to the police is both traumatic and conviction rates are extremely low.

if men realise that there are consequences of assault on that their peers may turn against them I don't think that is entirely a bad thing.

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