Looks like Trump could win?

[Kittykat86]

It's looking good for Trump. My dad is a total Trump hater and has been convinced that he won't win, especially since Kamala took over.
I don't know how the system works but is it too early to say that Trump is going to win?

It kind of does. What guarantees do you have that immigrants will leave their cultural preferences behind? Especially if you don’t vet them (these Haitians often are illegally crossing, we just cannot deport them at the moment).

For example, these refugees in Ohio from the DRC seen here grilling cats in their backyard. They are NOT stolen pets, to be clear, just free breeding stray cats.

https://christopherrufo.com/p/the-cat-eaters-of-ohio

We should be able to talk about the effect immigrants may have, when they bring certain cultural preferences with them that locals don’t share.

You just want to scream ‘this never happens!’ and I wouldn’t want to take that bet tbh. And it will look bad for you when it inevitably happens.

As opposed to supporting those telling girls they are transphobic if they don’t strip in front of boys and men? Or indoctrinating children in an ideology that will stunt their cognitive development, mutilate them and sterilise them?

The choice here was between the devil and the deep blue sea.

No one has said it "never" happens, its just a deflection.

the new guy in charge of deportations says that in the case of mixed citizenship families, where one parent has US citizenship, the whole family will be deported... to keep the family together... oh isn't he nice n thoughtful!!!

& you still not answered how non Mexican people will manage once deported...

That's a still deflection from the fact that your next president is a liar who stirs up trouble by telling lies about people.

the new guy in charge of deportations says that in the case of mixed citizenship families, where one parent has US citizenship, the whole family will be deported... to keep the family together... oh isn't he nice n thoughtful

Why wouldn’t they just deport family members together? Otherwise you’d have to put them into the foster system which is a worse outcome. Better they go home together. Trump
has mentioned pulling birthright citizenship on Day 1 so hopefully in future this won’t be an issue

you still not answered how non Mexican people will manage once deported

Most illegal immigrants are not Mexican? We just send them back to their home countries, it is really that simple. We aren’t signed up to ECHR so do not have the same constraints that UK does (thank fuck)

Ok How many flights will be required?

e.g 1.7m from Asia, 5m Mexicans, 2m from central America, 2m from S.America.

1.3m are married to a US citizen.

Deporting even a small number of the 12m illegals is going to be a huge logistical challenge.

Holding camps, legal challenges.... esp on the birthright pull.

Though i can see that even the talk of deportation may well act as a deterrent for further immigration.

And the incumbent?

Had he not selfishly held on to the candidacy, you might not be in a position to make your point.

Speaking of points, I cannot think of one previous US president - in my lifetime at least - who did not have a tenuous relationship with the truth, to a greater or lesser extent.

Yours is such a British attitude, I really have to be honest here.

ItS ToO HaRd ToO MaNy PeOPLe

The infrastructure is already there, it just needs more funding and personnel. For example, we have our own division within ICE that already does these flights:

https://www.ice.gov/factsheets/ice-air-operations

An older article but still clarifies how it works:

cnn.com/cnn/2017/05/26/us/ice-air-deportation-flights-explainer

And these will be the people that ignore deportation orders, obviously it is better that they self-deport.

Whataboutery.

Nixon, Reagan, Clinton.

No whataboutery there, but it doesn’t fit with your narrative.

Confident when you are on the offensive -
less so when on the defensive.

Rubbish. The point was that Trump is shit stirring to make people hate immigrants. It's pure racism and xenophobia. You can try and point away as much as you like but it doesn't take away from what he is doing.

And of course Nixon and Reagan in your whataboutery were republicans. Not a good look, is it?

Nonsense. So, the 72 odd million Americans who voted for Trump are xénophobes, or gullible, or perhaps both - which is it?

Typical left-wing - unable to accept that the electorate are free to exercise their vote as they wish.

A good look? Like Starmer screwing the old, the farmers, and rewarding the public sector you mean?

You are on the losing team, but you knew that didn’t you? Labours reign will be one term,
if they make that….

At this point you have to either accept Trump won, and what he is doing is what the majority of Americans want. Or accept that you don't believe in democracy because the people are too stupid to be able to decide who should be president.

At this point you have to either accept Trump won, and what he is doing is what the majority of Americans want.

Yep. The Democrats lost enough of their base from different groups to give Trump a clean sweep of the swing states.

It was from voters they took for granted, but lost

Absurd how ? I wasn’t making any comparison. I was simply challenging your post intimating that the poster didn’t know her history. Hitler was democratically elected. Your post suggested otherwise.

Absurd because you are comparing two completely different processes in two markedly different periods of history.

Irrelevent.

Ummm where have i said its too difficult? i'll be honest back to you, you come across as just another entitled American who knows best, especially with your rather childish use of the caps key, or maybe your thumps are very big?

But its its always the same you and the other rightwing posters always resort to condescending remarks when the argument goes against you.

I was asking genuine questions about this policy and the very obvious issues.

ICE have 12 planes... you have 12m people to deport.... do you really believe people who have been in the US for many years are going to self deport???

Having the debate is suggesting there is credence to the claim.

But its its always the same you and the other rightwing posters always resort to condescending remarks when the argument goes against you

Hearing what the average leftist says about Trump? Yeah, not remotely true

I was asking genuine questions about this policy and the very obvious issues

You ask in the frame of ‘it’s not possible.’ It does not seem to come from a place of genuine curiosity.

ICE have 12 planes... you have 12m people to deport.... do you really believe people who have been in the US for many years are going to self deport

So plenty of charter companies around once federal dollars become available. That’s not really a concern.

And others get bussed down to Central America as well. Obviously they aren’t fully reliant on the charter flights but they do dozens a week at least even now, when deportations are at a low point

No i didn't and i haven't said jack about Trump, thats up the US voter and in regard to Ukraine/NATO/Tariffs, assuming Trump carries out his promises, the Europeans will have to fund their military properly and stop relying on the Americans....
I also hope it cuts ways and we stop supporting the US come what may.

Re Deportations, I said its a huge logistical challenge, 12m people! obvious really, never mentioned its not possible at all, thats what YOU have chosen to read into my post.
I even gave an upside, that of deterring future migration.

& you re the one that came out with the condescension/insults, not me, as did another right of centre poster

Not. A. Cat.🐓🐔🐔 🐔

Whether or not the people who voted for him are xenophobes or gullible is a different question. The fact remains that he has behaved like a racist xenophobe. I'll leave you to make up your own mind about his voters.

You're actually showing your true colours now.

Fascinating to see how rude and personal some people are being on here. I guess Trump sets a certain extremely low standard.

I also hope it cuts ways and we stop supporting the US come what may.

I hope so too and stop this nonsense about a Special Relationship.

I couldn't agree more with this. We have so little in common with the US that I can hardly understand why this term is still being used. What's more, it is 20 years out of date and was dubious in its beginnings anyway.