Looks like Trump could win?

[Kittykat86]

It's looking good for Trump. My dad is a total Trump hater and has been convinced that he won't win, especially since Kamala took over.
I don't know how the system works but is it too early to say that Trump is going to win?

Peregrina, technically Hitler himself wasn't elected. His parry won the majority of Reichstag seats, but he became Chancellor via a behind the scenes deal between the other politicians, who thought they could control him...

AliasGrace47 - yes, I know that, but my point still stands - he used the processes available. It's a bit like the poster who tried to brush away Rishi Sunak's PM ship - he wasn't elected. Yes he was by his constituents.

Incidentally I don't think any of us are saying that Trump's win is not legitimate, which is in stark contrast to how Trump supporters viewed Biden's win.

What many of us are questioning is how someone so palpably unsuitable could be elected to the highest office in the land.

“It’s the economy stupid”. (or rather that people are poorer since by many indicators the economy is thriving).

The single most important factor in deciding the election. And his suitability or lack, in terms of character, just wasn’t important enough to sufficient people.

Possibly it's to do with now paying the UK equivalent of almost £10 for a dozen eggs,simple as that. I think if this was our reality we would vote for a business tycoon who knows how to make a profit & reduce debt therefore increasing available money for public expenditure.

Dear me, a business tycoon indeed.

I don’t know where you live, but first of all, unless you purchase pastured welfare eggs from an expensive shop, they DO NOT cost what you cited. In fact, i purchased a dozen welfare eggs today and paid the equivalent of £5.39. I could have purchased a dozen non welfare eggs for $3.04, which is £2.34. Also, the avian flu is the driver for increased egg prices, nothing to do with Biden.

Second, trump is expert at bankruptcy, dodgy deals, and criminal activity. He is also a gifted grifter who has exploited his followers via selling them his cheap made in china tat at every opportunity. He even shilled ‘election merchandise’ on election night. He is interested in power and enriching himself, he does not give a damn about the american people beyond how manipulating them can benefit him.

Third, he has no plans to lower prices, in fact his proposed tariffs will increase prices for importers, who will then increase consumer prices.

He wants to install leon musk, who is painfully unqualified, to lower the national debt. musk plans to do this via earned benefits decreases, like medicaid, medicare and social security. Which will harm pensioners and people with special needs.

Kennedy, whom trump will put in charge of health matters, is anti vaccine, and anti many other sensible public health measures. He is planning to do away with vaccine directives and other preventive measures, which may cause health insurance to no longer pay for these. As everything medical is quite expensive here, it will be difficult for many to pay out of pocket.

Further, they plan to do away with the affordable care act. Meaning people will lose their affordable health insurance, and if they earn enough to afford private insurance, trump is planning to repeal current laws prohibiting insurance companies from not covering pre-existing conditions. So they can choose between going into medical debt or dying.

Add to that calling climate change a hoax and planning to ‘drill baby drill’, increase fracking, repeal the endangered species act again, as he did in his last term, loosen regulations for clean air, water and food production, ban abortion nationwide, as well as consider the same for birth control, overhaul education to brainwash children with religion and patriotism, rewrite school history books to sanitized versions re. slavery and treatment of Native Americans. And let’s not forget his stated plans to allow putin to do exactly as he pleases.

There is so much more, but this suffices. All in all, this voter choice will not turn out well, and those who voted for this malignant man have only themselves to blame.

they plan to do away with the affordable care act

They planned this last time but got nowhere despite having unified control of government, because they couldn't come up with a plan to replace it.

If they just get rid of it without an alternative I can't see how they will avoid getting steamrollered in the mid terms.

The vaccine thing I do find concerning.

He will try his utmost to replace Obamacare such is his loathing for 44.

Pre election, as per house speaker mike johnson:

During a campaign swing in Pennsylvania, the GOP speaker vowed that overhauling the 14-year-old health care law would be part of a “very aggressive” first 100-days agenda if Republicans win back control of the White House, according to a video of the event obtained by CNN. Johnson was speaking at a GOP campaign event at Trump’s volunteer headquarters in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania.

At one point, an attendee asked Johnson directly: “No Obamacare?” And the speaker, wearing a personalized Trump-Vance jacket, responded: “No Obamacare.”

@LuckyPeonies sure I'm just not sure how different that is from last time around

@Aria999 unfortunately, we will find out. 🤷‍♀️

It was still an incredibly horrific thing that he was voted in based on a platform of antisemitism, racism and hate and that he was given legitimacy by various governments of the time. The Daily Mail supported the Nazis for a long time. Democracy is a great thing but when people are fed lies and division and hate are stoked it’s not at its best.

The parallels between the run up to WWII and now are truly horrifying. Trump allowed a comedian at one of his rallies to do incredibly racist and antisemitic jokes. He’s said ‘Hitler did some good things’ and that he ‘needs generals like Hitler had’. He’s talked of mass deportations at any cost. He’s talked about violence towards those that disagree with him. He’s not in it for the people or humanity. He’s in it for himself and the glory. He’s a cult leader and a sociopath.

These are dangerous times. We need to be very careful that history doesn’t repeat itself.

He’s talked of mass deportations at any cost

Honestly I fail to see the problem with mass deportations. It’s a bit entitled to think you can enter without permission and stay forever AND expect your kids will be citizens too. Why should we encourage this bad behavior?

That's kind of funny when you look at the last 300 years of American history. It's a country made up of immigrants.

Who would you like to round up then RingoJuice - anyone with black, brown skin or a Latino, on the assumption that because they are not white they must be immigrants? Without knowing anything about US laws, I suspect they already have the power to deport illegal immigrants, but have chosen not to because they keep the US economy going.

Yes a country of people that came to America and built a very particular country. I call the founders dissident Europeans.

But we have at least four distinct heritage groups in America: white European dissidents, descendants of black slaves, conquered Native American groups and Hispanics that were part of Spanish territories handed to the US.

These are the groups that drive the narrative of American history. They aren’t just random people pulled out of random countries on earth, living in some economic zone.

You should understand this, because white Americans are very, very different to white Europeans, even if we look quite similar. Ffs we voted in Trump and we take our individual freedoms very seriously.

That doesn't explain why it has been the American way for centuries to welcome immigrants, and now it must be stopped. What makes the people who immigrated over those centuries better and more acceptable than those who want to immigrate now?

It’s not the ‘American way’ to welcome immigrants though? It went through ebbs and flows depending on needs at the time.

It’s like you never heard about stuff like the Johnson-Reed Act or Chinese Exclusion Act. Or the fact that global immigration was only opened up since 1965 and could very easily be shut down again or revised in some capacity.

What makes you better and have the right to exclude others from occupying your house?

America still deports people: Biden admin removed 1 million illegal immigrants last year. That’s not including the several million border expulsions.

Near my hometown ICE has raided slaughterhouses and meat-packers and detained and deported hundreds from those operations. That generally works well.

The larger issue is TPS protections for people from countries such as Honduras, Haiti, Nicaragua, etc. They cannot be deported until that program is revoked. That’s why you often read about the Haitians in Springfield being ‘legal’ because they cannot be deported by ICE at the moment. But this can be reversed by executive action, which Trump had already promised (and the basis upon which I voted for him)

Of course I've heard of those. I didn't say expelling immigrants was a new thing. It just seems hypocritical given the origins of the vast majority of Americans.

Still doesn’t alter the fact that he was voted in - his rise to power wasn’t as a result of a coup, it was via democratic process. He used the depression to gain popularity and scapegoated the Jews for the state of the German economy post WW1. He was elected as chancellor and then used others in his thrall to dismantle the democratic process and became a dictator.

RingoJuice

I have to admit I find it difficult to get my head around what you are saying. You voted for a criminal who is happy to boast about assaulting women, because he will deport people who are working and contributing to the economy just because they came from the 'wrong country' or their skin is the 'wrong colour' ? Or have I misunderstood?

I have seen what happened to Springfield Ohio. My hometown is not far away. I have every right to vote to prevent this from happening to my hometown.

It should be also noted that Springfield itself, historically voting blue, voted red this year.

Immigration is my number one issue and I vote accordingly.