Do you think being thin will become less desirable now it’s more attainable?

[thehighgatevampire]

I was just thinking about this, being thin has always been seen as something desirable but not something that everyone could manage for whatever reason but now with weight loss injections it’s something that’s open to many more people.

Things with an element of rarity are always attractive to us but a part of that has now gone wrt to being thin.

just for context I’m what the internet would call mid size and I’d love to be eligible for the injections but I’m not. I could almost definitely lose weight the traditional way but now I know there is an ‘easy’ alternative out there I some how feel cheated in some way because I need to work at it whilst others can get an injection to do it. I know that sounds pathetic but just being honest.

I'm not envious of people who qualify for the injections (I'm another one who isn't thin but I'm too thin to get them) because I don't fancy the side effects but is it just me who thinks well, if you ate enough to weigh 20 stone and maintain it, then unless you get some big lessons in healthy eating and portion control, as soon as you stop the injections and your appetite comes back, you'll just go back to massively over eating? It just seems a bit pointless.

Sounds like a shit article that uses dress size as a measure.

Also, 30 years ago a size 14 was a 10 today.

Lol
That's Me. Skinny with no muscle tone.

I do too.. I think we all do and Im not into demonising carbs because we need them but I think we're all prone to eating a few too many 😆

apparently cycling low carbs is best - I do it for like 4/5 days and then have a couple of days off - without going crazy - by then Ive usually shifted a couple of pounds and just generally feel a lot better which mainly is why I do it. It clears out a lot of excess water that you retain aswell - that bloating feeling...

Its designed to be a life long treatment. The dose reduces, and the frequency of injections reduces, but it should be viewed as a life long commitment. The injection works by switching on receptors for the GLP1 hormone, but it only switches them on whilst the medication is active at a high enough level within the body. Approximately 10% of people in clinical trials maintained their loss for 12 months after stopping with new habits and lifestyle changes, but the vast majority require the maintenance dosing. This is why education needs to be more thorough for those taking it, they need to not see it as a quick fix to weight, it needs to be viewed as a life long treatment for a hormonal imbalance.

Possibly. It's still a wealth based thing at the moment so maybe not.
What's considered attractive by a society definitely changes based on such things.

Not necessarily, because I think as Afro Caribbean culture has become more celebrated it’s now often fashionable to have a fuller rear and shapely hips (as well as fuller lips) - hence the popularity of lip injections and BBL etc. You can’t have that shape easily if you are thin, even with surgery.

Do I think young, toned bodies (but not necessarily muscular) will always be fashionable - yes because it’s evolutionary. But that’s has nothing to do with weight loss injections and they won’t help as the reality of losing more than a small amount of weight especially if you are older than your twenties means some skin sagging (no amount of exercise can totally restore skin elasticity once older).

Weight loss injections will be purely about health rather than looks for most - as its debatable due to skin sagging whether the majority of people using them will look aesthetically better, but obviously having lost the weight they will likely be much healthier (assuming they can keep the weight off which I’m hesitant about as I don’t think there have been any long term studies).

No
Being fat is unhealthy and unattractive and significantly affects fertility too

I've been on Ozempic for 6 weeks now, I imagine I'll need a maintenance dose for life, much like people on statins don't just stop them. I can feel it when the dose needs adjusting.

On the injections I don't have to give food a second thought, when I'm hungry it's healthy foods I crave, the only think I have to be mindful of is that I eat enough and drink plenty-it suppresses thirst as well.

I've had side effects, but these have mostly settled, I'm able to do more in the gym now, my BMI is down to 33.

Fat people will always be demonised, we're lazy and greedy aren't we? Weight loss injections are no different than treating any other issue with medication.

Why are people such dicks about weight?

Why does it have to be a moral war?

I speak as a 'thin' woman

I have absolutely no skin in this game.

I've never judged my overweight sisters. I get that we live in an obesogenic society.

Why would I care, as an always 'thin' person.

Unless thinness was part of my identity.

Which it isn't.

No, you don't always. I have fibromyalgia that affects my sleep pattern so I have no control over that.

Gosh I disagree. I see scrawny and skeletal as ageing and not as attractive as softer and slightly overweight. But for me personally, healthy and strong is the aim. I understand the weight loss injections are also muscle loss which is an issue but perhaps I've been wrongly informed

thid is odd isn’t it. Like it’s a choice between fat or skeletal. For older women. Weird. And yes you’re wrongly informed. Weight loss injections do not cause muscle loss. Losing weight and not eating enough protein or getting enough exercise means muscle loss. Doesn’t matter if you’re calorie counting, low carb, injecting, whatever, the simple act of losing weight without doing it correctly means muscle loss.

i can see why so many folks are against weight loss injections, the amount of misinformation is shocking. Not just this poster, who appears to not even undedsgand basic biology,to those thinking everyone gets terrible side effects, you need to come off them, they are untested, etc. so much misinformation out there,and people posting without even bothering to educate themselves.

MJ makes you feel shit. Some people may opt for a lifetime of that but it’s not a pleasant way to live your life.

This is simply not true. I’m on Mounjaro and feel fantastic. I’ve yet to experience a single side effect and it’s the same for everyone I know that’s on it.

No, being thin will always be more desirable in a society/age where there is plentiful and highly calorific food and where it's so easy to become overweight cheaply.

I think they are an amazing invention. I'm okay at keeping my weight down so will never use them, but for people who need them they are brilliant. I'm noticing more people losing weight than I used to and they've said they're on them. They do look different to others who lose weight, like all the muscle is being lost too and they get quite skinny and older looking, but to get rid of all the health problems of being obese makes it worth it. And their confidence is through the roof.
I don't think it's cheating at all.. it doesn't sound easy feeling sick all the time and having tummy ache, they still have to watch calories and then afterwards they are back to fully trying to control their eating. If you need them and can afford them, go for it.

It'll be interesting to see what happens to all the fat children once their parents slim down using the drugs.

It's rare to see a fat child with slim parents, so I wonder if they'll continue into obesity until they're old enough for WLI, or if their parents might overhaul the entire family's diet?

I'm glad you don't want to make this as a nurse v doctor debate.
As an Advanced Nurse Practitioner you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

I do, and I know a lot are very keen to blur the lines between the two- there's also a political interest in doing so.

Thank you so much.

In many culture throughout history fat was technically desirable. It signified wealth and that they where well fed and healthy (not starving or suffering deficiencies or parasites etc...). Though out many points in history countries have been thrown into famine and 'thin' was heavily associated with death.

Look at historic paintings, most often show case bountiful blossoms, pouchy bellies, full hips rarely are they skinny waifs unless its a scene of death and disease.

The problem is that fat is more fat now, there is more 'morbid' obesity and it is very modern, its really a this century issue. Stats suggest as many as 1 in 10 are dangerously/severely overweight now. Anyone remember the episode of the Simpson that declared 300lb to be comically overweight and disabling? Yet in just 30 years its become fairly normal not a rare old 'freak show' weight it was in the not too distant past.

The average Victorian weight for a woman in England was approx. 120lb and now currently its approx. 160lb.

A Victorian seeing a 300lb+ person would have probably lost their mind, they use to pay to go to museums to see that rare sight (both for fat and muscle). In eras before Victorian they probably never saw it in their life times. yet most of us have probably encountered a 21st+ person at some point and apart from maybe registering that they are either 'fat' or 'muscular/athletic' not even batted an eye at it because its not that unusual.

I don't think 'thin' will be more/less desirable but I do thing a movement toward healthier weights will be encouraged. I don't even think 'thin' is even currently trendy it more a hang over for us millennials than it is for the younger generation. Extreme curves are the fashion now like big butts, thick thighs, boobs, lips, cheeks, eyes etc... just over exaggerated curves, very much bigger is better everywhere but the waist currently.

That makes no sense at all.

What are you actually saying, those who lose weight through will power eat enough protein and exercise to maintain muscle mass but those who lose weight on the same diet but aided by an injection to make a healthy choice don’t, so they lose muscle mass.

Did you even think about that before you wrote it, or did you just want to have a dig. If it was the latter it would have been better to write something slightly less ludicrous.

Ooh good idea. That sounds quite achievable actually . Thank you!

Losing weight on MJ has actually de-aged me. I look more youthful than I did at +40 lbs. I was starting to resemble a bulldog and a potato combined into one unholy creature.

What a huge pile of nonsense !

If 'most people' give up after a couple of months why on earth are there a gazillion threads on this site alone where people have lost more than 20% of their body weight. If you actually knew anything about GLP-1 agonists you would know the first 4 weeks is a therapeutic dose and has very little effect on appetite.

To get the results shown on here and other SM sites , 'most people' are definitely not giving up after a couple of months !

I personally know 4 friends on it and not had a single side effect. I have been on it since May and lost 5 stone. With mild side effect of constipation for 1 day in June . Not a bad trade off to be a healthy weight for the first time in a decade.