Do you think being thin will become less desirable now it’s more attainable?

[thehighgatevampire]

I was just thinking about this, being thin has always been seen as something desirable but not something that everyone could manage for whatever reason but now with weight loss injections it’s something that’s open to many more people.

Things with an element of rarity are always attractive to us but a part of that has now gone wrt to being thin.

just for context I’m what the internet would call mid size and I’d love to be eligible for the injections but I’m not. I could almost definitely lose weight the traditional way but now I know there is an ‘easy’ alternative out there I some how feel cheated in some way because I need to work at it whilst others can get an injection to do it. I know that sounds pathetic but just being honest.

I have to say as a slightly overweight but not obese person, I'm a bit peeved as I'm not eligible for injections and yes I do have weight to lose. Especially midriff since menopause. I'd love something that suppressed my appetite as I eat well but just not the best at portion control etc. If I didn't eat during the day then that would be ideal as an example.
I am happy for those people who are able to lose weight and never could before though.

Actually, Mounjaro makes me feel bloody brilliant.

I have long suspected that I might have ADHD. No doubt it has helped to propel me forward in my career and in other aspects of my life, but it has also resulted in me being stressed, anxious and self-critical. The sense of calm and contentment that has arisen since I have been on this drug has been life changing for me, as has the complete lack of desire to consume alcohol. So much so, that the (very slow) weigh loss is of secondary importance to me now.

The only side effect I have on a regular basis is a sense of being full. I have felt a slight sense of nausea / acid reflux on a couple of occasions since I started 5 weeks ago, but that would happen from time to time before MJ.

It seems to me that people are critical of the supposed health risks without doing any research on the matter at all. Such research would show that there are numerous health benefits, not all of which are related simply to weight loss.

I intend to do everything in my power to remain on this drug at a maintenance level for life.

If you've got young kids, fair enough. Its difficult - I get that. But you still have some control over it. In fact, your diet influences your body's ability to sleep well.

Its been in clinical testing for some 20 years. Its older and more tested than alot of prescribed medications. Older verions saw much lower amounts of weight lost, and had to be injected daily, so the cost wasnt = to effect, but they were still approved for use. The newer ones are much more effective, cheaper, and last long in the body, which is why they have gained traction over the past few years. But the fundemental medication has been around for 20+ years.

Fashion plays a big part in how we are supposed to look. At one time big curvy women were considered to be the most beautiful. There are many paintings depicting lovely looking women, who definitely aren’t thin.

At least you're being honest and admitting you're envious. Most people are hiding behind faux-concern.

For me, as a woman like you who is a size 12-14, the whole weight-loss injections debates have really brought home to me how many people think being thin is superior, dislike fat people and want everyone to suffer somewhat to attain thin-ness and are now throwing their toys out of the pram that some people are getting an 'easy' route.

Except they're not, and it's only being prescribed for healthcare. If people who otherwise would not be eligible for it are finding ways to get it, that doesn't detract from the fact it's a treatment to improve health.

I equate it to medication for smoking cessation or to address alcohol or drug misuse, would you complain about people getting those having an 'easy ride'? If not, why not?

I have ADHD as well and am also on MJ. It makes me feel grim and I’m not alone.

I have a neurological disorder which affects sleep so there’s really zero I can do about it. Not everyone can have good sleep.

These women weren't overweight as we see nowadays though, none were obese.

Have you tried low carb or intermittent fasting?

I have found very low carb (i.e. low sugar) takes the edge of my appetite especially not eating toast/cereal for breakfast. Sugar/carbs increase the sugar loving bacteria in the gut and make you feel hungry all day...

I read an article years ago (like 30 years ago) showing that for women being very slim is not the healthiest for them, and said that a size 14-16 for women was the peak of health, fewer illnesses, fewer hormonal imbalances.

When my mother had a stroke a few years ago and was in hospital for months it was striking that 90%+ of patients in the ward were very slim, which was really at odds with what we are told about obesity and stroke rates. My ex husband had a stroke years ago as a young man, through that he got to know others on the ward and again the vast majority were very slim, and sporty.

I think current society has become fixated on what healthy should look like, and in one way we don’t recognise how fat we’ve become, but on the other hand the ideals have become so much more slimmer and unachievable.

I suspect that in the next 10-20 years the increased long term use of weight loss drugs will start to show up some undesirable effects and use will drop off.

For many, it isn't about being thin. It's about being healthy, and that looks different for different people.

The people I know who are successful at maintaining their weight aren't really even doing so consciously because they live a certain life style full of activity and nutrious foods to fuel it.

I think people's mindsets need to change.

Thin to me is also below the BMI range. Not within the 'healthy' range.

Being slim (as opposed to thin) is the best way to be. You look better, you feel better, clothes look great. There’s no downside to being slim.

I've tried IF and I am able to skip breakfast. Maybe I need to combine with lo carb. I love carbs though haha

No, it will always be the preferred standard as it implies a healthier, more active lifestyle.

I have a workmate who appears to have been using the jabs. Assuming she's bought them privately, as there is zero chance she would have been eligible on the NHS as only mid-sized, maybe a size 14ish to start?. She's noticeably lost quite a lot of weight quite quickly, just the past 2-3 months. I'd have thought she was 'ill' if the jabs weren't available, and she's clearly not ill and her lifestyle hasn't changed. Impressive, and yet makes you wonder if it will be easily maintainable once the jabs are stopped.... that's what I'm wondering about them.

Absolutely. However, nurses are now trained to assess and prescribe all kinds of medications and conditions. Its not just a prescribing course, theres a whole load of MSc modules that need to completed to reach that point, and then its within a speciality, overseen by a medic. However, i have been nurse and working within health care for my entire adult life, now in my 40's, and the past year of researching this medication has ignited a new passion in me. I love my speciality at the minute, its rewarding, and i learn something new every single day. I would be happy to stay iin this area for the rest of my career. But this, it can change lives for the better, its telling so much of the population "this isnt your fault" which in itself is massive for the MH of the population too. Look at ADHD in women and how much it was underdiagnosed. Just having that diagnosis is life changing, and gives a person clarity on their entire life. This is similar. People who have been told their entire lives they are lazy, greedy, and are less valuable to scoiety can see themselves in a different light. I want to help people see that, and tell them why.

For as long as it takes a lot of money to be thin, it will remain an aspirational goal.

That will only shift if the rich and popular start becoming fatter again.

Yes but the point is that she is a registered medical professional, regardless of the fact that she has now moved into aesthetics. I would only buy from a medical professional who obtained them through a legitimate source, not a hairdresser or beautician who has bought them on some website and is dishing them out. Its so dangerous, you could be injecting anything into your body.

Some of them were clearly obese actually.

There was a study where 78% of women who kept weight off long-term ate a healthy breakfast and walked 1 hour a day.

If 1000 people can afford to buy the injection at £1000pm - £12k per year then a company makes a revenue of £12,000,000

If 20,000 ppl can afford to buy the injection at £500pm - £6k pa. Then a company makes a revenue of £120,000,000

The more affordable it becomes the more people can buy.

There is every reason to bring the cost down - which will be done when they're making enough money to re-invest in production and bring down supply and distribution costs. Volume makes money - not price on item like this.

Competition will also lower price. Companies only need to undercut slightly to steal the customer base. Then another comes along and undercuts and so on and so on.

This is not the type of item a person 'wants' to spend extortionate amounts on. It's not the same as buying as a designer handbag.

I exercise 6 days a week and do 10k steps every day. But nothing shifts the midriff so far unfortunately

Post menopausal women are healthier if they carry a few extra pounds. Being thin is linked with osteoporosis.

Gosh I disagree. I see scrawny and skeletal as ageing and not as attractive as softer and slightly overweight. But for me personally, healthy and strong is the aim. I understand the weight loss injections are also muscle loss which is an issue but perhaps I've been wrongly informed.

I sorted my eating out a year and a half ago with a stone weight loss as the goal and it's strange, you think your whole life will change and be better and after a while the weight loss itself and what you look like starts to be come less important than how much better you feel and how being stronger and fitter is more important.
I do think the past did a number on us women, 90s teen here and it is hard to come away from that way of thinking and judging. I have always been small, size8-10, and I remember a boy telling me I was built like a tank at 13... I look back on pictures of the time.. I was sporty and fit and glowing with outdoor life. A throwaway comment that stuck, I hated my muscles from dance and hockey and wished them away. I know most of us here will have similar stories.

The bit I do like about it is being thin will stop being a marker of wealth.