Do you think being thin will become less desirable now it’s more attainable?

[thehighgatevampire]

I was just thinking about this, being thin has always been seen as something desirable but not something that everyone could manage for whatever reason but now with weight loss injections it’s something that’s open to many more people.

Things with an element of rarity are always attractive to us but a part of that has now gone wrt to being thin.

just for context I’m what the internet would call mid size and I’d love to be eligible for the injections but I’m not. I could almost definitely lose weight the traditional way but now I know there is an ‘easy’ alternative out there I some how feel cheated in some way because I need to work at it whilst others can get an injection to do it. I know that sounds pathetic but just being honest.

There will be just as much judgement, sniding and trying to feel better about yourself by making others feel worse as it never goes away for some people.

There are many poor thin people now but they don't count because they don't go to the right gym or their husband isn't part of the right golf club or whatever.

As PPs have said you could put it in the drinking water si everyone has no choice but to be thin, then it would be if you are thin AND only drink Himalayan melted glacier water or some other such bollocks.

Perhaps being positive, but it's a fool's dream, people might return to being admired for how they treat others, how they contribute to society for the good of all, what they teach those around them, how they carry themselves.

If kindness was coveted as much as appearance now the world would be a much nicer place.

I think being the "right kind of thin" will become even more the pinnacle of achievement that it is now.

I am the "wrong" kind of thin, not through choice.

The right kind of thin will mean what men want it to be - a slender hourglass. Slim with big boobs and rounded hips. The wrong kind of thing - skinny and bony - is already ridiculed and seen as not desirable

The biggest mental health improvement for me came from seeing that the medical profession were taking obesity as an illness or disease seriously. I've spent my whole life thinking I'm a weak failure who has managed to succeed in so many areas of my life except this one so I must be fat and stupid. And I know I've been judged on my weight, how can I be taken seriously when I'm clearly too stupid to understand that just eating less and moving more would solve my problems?
To go from that to the absolute relief that maybe it's not that I'm stupid, lazy or uncaring enough to eat myself to death, that I've got help now and I will see my daughter grow up, it was a real mindset shift for me.
I've lost almost 5.5 stone now and going strong, I self fund and frankly I've never felt better. The only thing I'd like is a local GP I saw face to face every month instead of online, to support me with both the recreating of a healthy lifestyle and the emotional journey I'm on as I lose weight and suddenly feel valued by society again.

@countdowntonap Think that poster could start a fight in an empty room 😆

(Replying to https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5201335-do-you-think-being-thin-will-become-less-desirable-now-its-more-attainable?reply=139515927)

That's how they work to assist weight loss, by making you not want to eat any more.

There's research being done now to see if they'd be safe for binge eating disorder patients as a way of stopping the urge to binge.

If you’re buying it privately, you can take it forever if you like (as long as it’s available). But you say it works for life - how do you know this? It is licensed to be used long-term, yes. This does not mean it will work for life. You can’t just take the info provided by Novo Nordisc as gospel.
It’s a very new drug. I’ve seen it really help many people. But it’s not THE answer to the obesity epidemic that’s it’s touted to be.

I am trained, qualified, and this is in fact my specialist area.

Heroin chic hasn't been desirable for years (Soon to be renamed GLP-1 agonists abuse chic) hasn't been in fashion for years and isn't with middle England now.

It's the lean toned look that people desire, which takes discipline. I have the fitness of someone who could have that look but I like carbs too much for a flat stomach.

Assume this is sarcasm?

I don't "blame" mothers for obesity. I blame the food industry. There's a clear link between a population's switch from "normal" food to processed food and rapidly increasing obesity rates. Started in America, UK came later, France later still.

This
The small waist, full bust , decent behind, rounded hips, with good muscle tone is probably seen as the ‘ideal ‘ shape

Ok, then we agree to disagree, I think you are not in this field but claiming to be to give your erroneous words weight. So you go your way claiming to be an expert and spouting what you spout and I shall go mine. And mine is I will read the peer reviewed research and findings and go with what the actual experts say

I’m not sure what you’re getting at. What is it the experts say? That it works for life?

I think you are both saying the same thing here? Eli Lilly have said this is a life long medication, as it only works on receptors whilst its active in the system. However, we dont know how long it does work for, whether we will become resistent to it, so it becomes less effective over time, as obviously, clinical trials havent yet studied life long usage. I think you both actually agree but are wording things differently.

Weird that you’re trained, qualified and it’s your specialist area but you don’t know that Mounjaro is manufactured by Eli Lilly, not Novo Nordisk (which is spelled with a K, not a C)

Or that this is primarily for diabetes and that it’s been available for eight years and no evidence it stops being effective, just like any other medicine. Well unless you count one person on mumsnet.

If it’s been available for 8 years have there been any studies to show that the people on it have kept the weight off? As many weight loss things seem to work for people at first but then stop.

Genuine question as I’ve lost 10 stone gradually myself through diet and exercise and kept it off for a good few years now -but am struggling to loose much more and am still overweight. I’d be interested in trying it if there have been any scientific studies showing it works long term - if there have that would be amazing!

Yes there has been studies, the same as any other diet, some keep it off, many put it back on, hence why it is lifelong for many people.

I am sorry to hear that. However, the way you worded your post implied that everyone feels unwell on Mounjaro, which is demonstrably untrue.

Mounjaro is like every other prescription drug in that some people cannot tolerate it. However, many people can tolerate it, and it can be highly successful in fixing a whole host of physical and psychological problems that they have, not just relating to obesity.

I think that the current weight loss drugs are only the start and that developments will be made which will mean that there will be other drugs which will be more suitable for you and others who are struggling with what is available now.

If nothing else, this thread has proved that anyone can say they’re anything on the internet and you really shouldn’t believe anyone pretending professional expertise.

sorry, i referenced the wrong pharmaceutical company on a MN post, I’ll have to hand my notice in tomorrow.

Yeah, I’m saying it can work well as part of a programme, in which patients are supported and motivated. It’s not a magic pill to solve the obesity epidemic (which is how the media, and the government, are portraying it).
don’t know why this other person is getting so p**sed off with me. I have just seen a lot of new medications come on to the market over the course of my career, and I deal with drug reps every week. They have a job to do, and that is simply to get us to prescribe their drugs. I have to be balanced and not believe every word that falls out of their mouths. Time and again they’ve played down side effects as being much rarer and milder than they have very quickly turned out to be.

No, because thinness is equated with youth and youth will always be deemed beautiful. The term middle age spread exists for a reason.

When were people ever praised for those things? What’s this utopian period you want to return to? People have always been prized for looks, wealth having a tan means you are wealthy having a tan means you are poor and tending the fields, being fat is good you must be wealthy being fat is bad you must be poor. On look they have a jewelled carriage they are better than us etc etc rather than being a good person. It’s not how humans work.

THIS.

I lost 7stone on Mounjaro and, although I am definitely feeling the benefits of being a healthy BMI (physical and, just in general being treated as a better human being by others ), they leave you with no muscle mass or physical strength. It's just the reality, you can't lose the weight via the calorie deficit method without also losing most of your muscle.

I've been working with a PT since I reached my "goal weight" and stopped the injections and have seen some good change, but yes, the new desirable will be slim but also fit as fuck and lean with muscle.

thats not my experience though, I went into it with good muscle mass, I did regular cardio, yoga and weights prior to starting MJ but was always absolutely starving so eating massive meals of pasta etc. So was obese/overweight (I'm petite so moved between BMI 29 - 31 constantly) but actually quite fit, although my joints ached from my weight.

I've continued to do all the same exercise whilst on MJ but due to appetite suppression I'm managing to lose the fat and maintain good muscle tone.

But that’s not the reality and you absolutely do not need to lose muscle mass, you just need to exercise, continue to build muscle and eat enough protein as you lose weight. It is very wrong to say it can’t be done as you didn’t do it, then contradict yourself and say you’ve had good results since working out. It’s your reality, it isn’t everyone else’s. You chose to do it the way you did.