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I’m scared now I’ve realised this

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Pickandmixmood · 29/10/2024 11:00

I was thinking that the US public wouldn’t vote for Trump now that it is so apparent he is such a fascist. It’s terrifying to realise that they already know that and that is why they are going to vote for him.
I’m scared for the world.

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Fingeronthebutton · 29/10/2024 17:40

KizzyDora · 29/10/2024 16:22

What about all the black Trump voters? The Cubans seem to vote for him in high numbers too. Racist against themselves?

The Latino and black voters are sick of the democrats taking their vote for granted: much the same as the Labour Party in the uk.
These people have aspirations, they see trump as someone to aspire too ( money wise.
Dont forget most Americans had more dollars in their pockets when trump was in power last time.
The only part of him winning that is worrying is the fact that he might cut off arms to Ukraine 😥

lifeturnsonadime · 29/10/2024 17:40

RobinEllacotStrike · 29/10/2024 17:36

I've just spent a few days with 2 women from Georgia which is a swing state.

Neither of them are racist or misogynistic.

They are hugely pissed with the Biden Administration and cannot stand Harris - they do not trust her at all. So they are both voting for Trump depite being pro-choice. They see the whole election as a bit of a shit sandwich with Trump being the lunatic they will vote for.

I hoped we would have learnt post Brexit and the first Trump presidency not to demonise ordinary people, but it seems not.

I think this happens all the time.

Views are so entrenched we'd rather call people idiots than listen to their pov.

This, in my opinion, is why democracy as we know, it is starting to fall apart.

You've only got to think back to the Brexit threads. Calling people idiots, Turkey's voting for xmas etc doesn't win hearts and minds.

I do find this more a symptom of the 'left' than the right of politics. If people decide they can't vote democrat or Labour here there has been a tendency to name call and assume the voter is right wing/ closet Tory than to actually hear out the reasons for the concern. It drives me mad.

LifeExperience · 29/10/2024 17:40

Just like the UK is a union of 4 countries with home rule, the US is a union of 50 states with home rule (Amendment 10 of the Constitution.)The electoral college is part of that home rule, and it isn't going anywhere. The smaller states would secede, with all that implies, before that ever happened.

People are voting for Trump because of the economy. Inflation is rampant due to government overspending. Fedgov is on course to borrow well over a $trillion (yes, with a T) this year over and above tax receipts which are at an all time high. The 10 million migrants that have come through our wide open borders is costing Americans hundreds of billions of dollars that we don't have. So are all the foreign wars that we are endlessly involved in. Our national debt is $35T and rising every day. This is unsustainable, yet Kamala's still promising new government programs that we don't have $ for, while Trump is running on cutting the size of gov't. Meanwhile, all the gov't borrowing is affecting US credit markets and interest rates to the point that rates actually increased rather than decreased when the Federal Reserve lowered them. Mortgage rates increased along with bonds, so the housing market is essentially frozen as people can't afford the interest rates to buy. That's a brief synopsis, but the bottom line is that average Americans are feeling the pinch of high prices and high interest rates every day. Under these circumstances it was always going to be hard for the incumbent, which Harris is, to win.

American women are more worried about feeding their babies than terminating them, which is why the abortion issue is only #8 on American's priority lists, yet it is Kamala's singular issue. Other than that she is running on Biden's record which is abysmal.

It's a shame that Trump is the Rep nominee, because Biden/Harris were always going to have a hard time being reelected. His policies are not popular at all, and she has not denounced them, instead saying there's nothing she would change, while at the same time saying that she's a "change" candidate. Biden people have been running her campaign and it shows. they won't let her separate herself from him or she's not smart enough to do so.

All the early indications are pointing to a Rep blowout, but it's not because Trump is such a great candidate, it's because he's the only alternative, and people will vote for the devil himself if they are hurting and believe he will make things better.

The Dems shouldn't have sucked. That's the bottom line. They've thrown this election away with both hands and have only themselves to blame.

KnickersDown · 29/10/2024 17:40

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ruethewhirl · 29/10/2024 17:44

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I thought half-term was last week?

Oodiks · 29/10/2024 17:44

sofialiliy11 · 29/10/2024 16:14

The US election is so ridiculous anyway. Even if you get the most votes, you don't always win.

Trump didn't get the most votes in 2016, and he won because of their electoral college system and became president

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Speaking with American teens who are newly eligible to vote in this election, I expected a sense of enthusiasm that it wasn't just two old white guys and that the democrat candidate was getting endorsements from people they might relate to, but, no, they're all pissed about the Electoral College and can't see the point in voting!!

lifeturnsonadime · 29/10/2024 17:45

ruethewhirl · 29/10/2024 17:44

I thought half-term was last week?

This week in some areas : )

KnickersDown · 29/10/2024 17:45

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Trump is a serial cheater, a liar, and a 34 count felon, in bed with Putin and Musk; how the hell does the world need that?

KnickersDown · 29/10/2024 17:46

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Pickandmixmood · 29/10/2024 17:46

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Can you expand on that @KnickersDown

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NomenNudum · 29/10/2024 17:48

snoopsy · 29/10/2024 17:27

Just look at the amount of Americans who have followed religious leaders with extreme views for years. The landscape is perfect for someone of the same ilk. A nation populated by a whole swathe of brainwashed easily-led people. Its very scary.

The novel Elmer Gantry predicted all this a century ago

Puzzledandpissedoff · 29/10/2024 17:48

As ever I think we should consider what are the democrats doing that is so wrong that it makes Trump a viable alternative?

Don't go bringing common sense into it, @lifeturnsonadime Wink
FWIW I'm no Trump fan either, but he could have have been beaten hollow if only the Democrats had ousted Biden long before and got themselves someone who was more generally respected and could bring the undecideds on board

But they did neither so here we are, with the bogeyman narrative left to do all the work and the party apparently having learned nothing

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CustardCreams2 · 29/10/2024 17:49

Emmascout1774 · 29/10/2024 17:36

I don’t think, whatever you think of Johnson, truss, sunak et al, that they were even remotely close to trump in terms of how terrible they were.

Truss was worse.

TheDeepLemonHelper · 29/10/2024 17:50

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Pickandmixmood · 29/10/2024 17:51

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Great, thanks for the intelligent analysis of the situation @KnickersDown

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Onlyonekenobe · 29/10/2024 17:51

Emmascout1774 · 29/10/2024 17:35

It will totally come down to the swing states. In 2016 Clinton visited six states over thirty times. Other states she didn’t visit once, but won by a landslide in.

There are supposedly 7 swing states. The total population of these states is (let's call it) 53.5m. Applying the national average, around 70% of those people are eligible to vote, so 37.7m.

Of those 37.7m people, approx 40,000 are predicted by some to swing the vote because of redlining, gerrymandering, and other voter eligibility changes.

Regular members of the public, on both sides, will be out in force this weekend to canvass and ballot and doorknock. Those 40,000-odd people know who they are and very probably won't decide how to vote until they're in the ballot booth.

NomenNudum · 29/10/2024 17:52

Emmascout1774 · 29/10/2024 17:34

Not quite the same. The number of seats isn’t proportional to the number of votes. Our system really hurts smaller parties. However the party with the largest number of votes will, barring something completely unexpected, get the largest number of seats.

Not v important but am i missing something? The link shows occasions when a UK party got more votes but still lost the election because they had fewer seats.

TheYearOfSmallThings · 29/10/2024 17:52

sofialiliy11 · 29/10/2024 17:17

Not now but didn't former taoiseach of ireland, Berite Ahern, have to answer to a court tribunal, for accepting money and backhanders from people.

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The money was only resting in his account Grin

But encouraging a violent mob to storm the seat of government to overturn democracy is a step beyond the usual shit.

Onlyonekenobe · 29/10/2024 17:53

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Stormy Daniels would beg to differ.

Goody2ShoesAndTheFilthyBeast · 29/10/2024 17:53

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I'm not so sure the world really does need another megalomaniacal wannabe dictator tbh.

I'd prefer something more along the lines of reasonably sane and wanting to cooperate and improve people's lives but hey, if batshit crazy racist misogynistic pervert floats your boat then who am I to argue.

AshLeaf · 29/10/2024 17:54

Thing is, we generally only know what our ‘local’ media reports - and the same is true in the US.. From what I see here, anybody would be bonkers to vote Trump, but roughly half of all Americans are planning to. They can’t all be stupid/racist/misogynistic - so why is that?

Choosenandenough · 29/10/2024 17:54

I’m scared for anyone who thinks that Donald Trump would actually be running America. I cannot wrap my head around the fact that people still think the presidential face of any party means anythng.

Mumtobabyhavoc · 29/10/2024 17:55

FupaTrooper · 29/10/2024 16:49

Many, many people were absolutely desperate not to vote for Trump. Kamala has been an absolute shit show and botched what should have been a cake walk.

Her platform should have been almost singularly women's rights and abortion. She also needed to work seriously with coaches as she is incapable of getting through an interview coherently.

I wanted to like her so badly but my friends and I all say we are left shaking our heads and wondering how she got to where she is.

She also should have been humble enough to go on Joe Rogan and show all his fans why they should vote for her. She has fumbled at pretty much every turn and I can't figure out whether it is incompetence or shockingly bad advisors.

I despair...

Losing to Trump is such an embarrassment and I am pissed off that we have only had the likes of Hillary and Kamala to represent women. Put a great, talented, charismatic, intelligent, GOOD woman in the mix... But it seems to me like all politicians (on both sides) in both the UK and the US are unbelievably bad.

Seriously, how are all these people in the positions they are in? Clearly they are sociopathic and narcissistic, but it is the talent and intelligence that I am questioning.

The best the western world has to offer is apparently Trump, Boris and all the rest of these idiots? I hope the aliens aren't watching too closely. I would be judging us harshly 😂

Put a great, talented, charismatic, intelligent, GOOD woman in the mix.

How is Kamala Harris not like that?
Respectfully, your post shows a sentiment that is quite prevalent in the US: no Dem woman candidate will be enough. Ever.
Harris, and Clinton for that matter, far exceed Trump yet the criticism levied against them is quite disgusting. It wouldn't matter if they walked on water, would it?

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