I’m scared now I’ve realised this

[Pickandmixmood]

I was thinking that the US public wouldn’t vote for Trump now that it is so apparent he is such a fascist. It’s terrifying to realise that they already know that and that is why they are going to vote for him.
I’m scared for the world.

Really? I have been watching her journey because I was really rooting for her, but I have been left disappointed.

In my opinion she doesn't come across well at all. She rambles and doesn't get to the point and seems quite jumbled and confused. Some of her answers to things and her manner has been odd at times.

I hope more people agree with you than me!!

(Obviously Trump comes a cross terribly. I just had high hopes for her.)

Yeah, I mean I think it’s fair to say that most people don’t actually believe he’s going to do these mass deportations he’s talking about and they’re probably right because if he does it’ll crash the economies of several key states.

The risk is that he’s so disinterested he lets the Project 25 nutters run wild.

The Bulwark podcast ( “never Trump” Republican narrative) made the point that worryingly a lot of the checks and balances that existed in 2016-20 that stopped him acting on his worst ideas have been weakened or eliminated.

Ugh i can't deal with another trump era if he gets in again.

I felt like the whole world got influenced, and got nastier and more racist, when he got in last time.

He brought all the racists and misogynists out

Eh? I've watched all her speeches and interviews and there's maybe one or two that aren't as strong as the rest but she literally never rambles or seems confused. If you think she seems jumbled and confused presumably you can't follow more than a sentence of Trump's at all.

Yeh I thought that she spoke intelligently and eloquently

As ever I think we should consider what are the democrats doing that is so wrong that it makes Trump a viable alternative?

Things don't happen in a vacuum a lot of people in the US must be deeply dissatisfied with the democrat administration.

There is at least one issue I can think of on which they make Trump look sane which is truly frightening.

On a light note:

Did anyone see the musical remixes they did of trumps "theyre eating dogs and cats" comment.

They're on YouTube. Very funny!

There are many low wage earners and down trodden Americans who see Trump as someone who puts all Americans first, before immigrants etc..

He seems to bring a glimmer of hope to many.

I don't agree with most of his thinking but I see why some people latch onto him.

What are American people in the street saying, about why they will vote for him?

I’m landing only days after the Tuesday

spending a couple of weeks in us - east and west coast

mildly terrified tbh..

if they actually fall for this BS, I’m not sure what hope there.

The problem is that the popular vote system would massively disadvantage the more rural, less populated, and usually poorer states. The fact is that the United States is a genuinely federal country so the states must all have meaningful representation- that’s important in a way that it’s just not in a non federal system but similar to the way that Scotland felt it was always being ignored by Westminster. The reason for the discrepancy in votes per state is roughly based on population size but actually it’s the other way to your previous comment- at the moment the states with higher populations ( eg California) have disproportionality fewer votes than somewhere like Nebraska. The only way to marry the popular vote and the state vote is to do it either “one state, one vote” which would be a bit crazy or weight it strictly on population but then the poorer states get sidelined.

I wonder if it's largely down to racism and misogyny

They coped with Obama but black and a woman is a step too far?

(I'd like to think I'm wrong, but...)

And you know this how? American asking.

No it’s pretty much mathematically impossible for one party to have more votes than the winning party in this country. You can’t really compare. In the USA there are only two candidates, the two party system is so entrenched. In this country we have more of a plurality of parties.

Trump isn’t taking away women’s reproductive rights. He said he would leave it to the states to decide themselves re abortion.
Trump isn’t great but Harris is intellectually challenged enough that many worry no one would take her or the US seriously anymore.

First passed the post is not at all similar to the "stupid Americans" 😂

Americans will do what they feel best for them. They have two useless candidates, and have to make a poor choice. But, up to them.

Trump attracts all the 'religious', gun-loving, racist, xenophobic and misogynist votes and appeals to those who put financial profit above anything else and don't care about the environment or social justice.

Unfortunately that's a large part of the electorate in the US...

I'm just surprised that people are surprised. Things are turning to total shit all over the place.
After so many years of going forward, things are being hurled backwards. People are strange.

Expect a Doomsday Clock move by the end of the year.

The problem with that is that it is very easy for fascists and dictators to block their political opponents by convicting them on trumped-up charges (e.g. the Anwar Ibrahim sodomy trials in Malaysia).

I would also be worried as a woman to vote for Harris. She is a full proponent of the gender ideology which supports child mutilation and sterilisation; and believes men should be able to invade women's single sex spaces on a whim. Neither candidate is a candidate for women sadly.

Thanks @Mumtobabyhavoc you've explained a lot.
With Trump and Musk together the world will be in a very precarious position.

It's happened a few times in the past century. https://www.electoral-reform.org.uk/more-votes-but-less-seats-surely-youre-joking/

Its terrifying. I cannot understand all these people voting him in

Absolutely when they see and hear Trump having one of his rants, they see and hear themselves