Women are banned from talking in public

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Women through new laws issued by Afghanistan’s Taliban rulers, are now banned on speaking in public as a woman's voice is considered "intimate" and should not be heard. I feel so sad and helpless for their situation. At least I am educated and in this situation would try to limit birth control without my husband being aware of my actions, if I could.
Does anyone know how they can be helped?

Men of all stripes on the whole are more inward looking or even selfish dare I say it . They are quicker to speak out when they see something as being in their direct interest. .

It wasn't a comparison. It was a warning.

Reminds me of the book Vox.

Please can someone explain, or post a link explaining, why women in Australia can't meet or have women's things? Does this mean that groups of women cannot meet without men there? Surely not?

Don’t quote me but I think it’s because they cannot legally discriminate agains Trans people who aren’t actually women.

The Stanford Prison Experiment was a fraud. The participants were coached and told how to behave in order to create a totally fake conclusion.

If a male pretending to be a woman wants to join a women's group the women can't refuse him. Women are allowed to meet in groups if it's a private group of friends/family, but they can't set up a social group for just women anymore.

They can only communicate using sign language , but they cannot show their bare hands as that's too sexual so they have to wear black gloves. Mind boggling stupid

I will say that they weren't oggling any women and appeared to be very respectful. But it felt unfair that their wives couldn't have a swim. I went to another huge spa complex and it was the same. You paid for a full day so the women were just sat watching for 5-6 hours. It was a baking hot day and it felt unjust that they couldn't enjoy a swim too.

A key question here is surely there’s an exemption - For example, can women not speak to their children in public then? Or what about women who are carers?

If a man finds out the Australian Human Rights Commission will fund him suing them for discrimination. Sall Grovers defence cost over half a million AUS dollars. And another Half Million to appeal the decision.

Men are getting funded to predate on women.

But is it really a choice? I think that it becomes a cultural norm that is easier to just go along with and if you grow up like that, why would you think any different? A friend of mind who wears a hijab was explaining to me how nice it was that her partner wanted to keep her just for him and that it was a sign of respect. I just couldn't grasp the argument. It seemed rather like brain washing to me.
As an aside though, I also am very anti the male dominated fashion industry and which dictates what women should be wearing and the inherently misogynistic music industry which encourages women to wear as little as possible. I bet many female popstars also feel as though it's their choice to wear very little and dance provocatively because that is the norm in their industry. But they are being manipulated. The same as wearing high heels (which i used to endure and was happy with at the time, despite the pain). Now I view them as a type of handicap. I appreciate that there are lots of contradictory and differing social conventions surrounding how much flesh a woman should show. However, most of the rules have ultimately been developed byen, with women being hoodwinked into thinking that it is their choice.

Does that cut both ways? Are there no men only gyms, golf clubs there?

Referring to Australia.

I will also add that globally the wearing of the hijab has increased since the 1970s. To me that is a worrying trend, particularly when one considers the freedoms that the women in Iran used to enjoy. I think that there is a general trend against women globally that women need to watch out for.

It's the Givgle Vs Tickle case.

Boiling it down to the basics, the judge ruled that it is possible to change sex, therefore if a man 'becomes a woman' in their passport (purely a paperwork exercise) then they are legally entitled to be treated as a natal female and have access to any space designated as female only.

@InfoSecInTheCity I thought that referred to online platforms only. I don't see how the law can be applied to physical groups?

I doubt that very much.

Horrifying.

Between radical religion, incels, Andrew Tate type influencers and predatory men abusing the trans movement to prey on and erase women... we don't bloody stand a chance do we!?

@Scentedjasmin I completely agree with you.
Everything we do is pretty much down to socialisation. My view is that covering up totally and wearing barely anything are the two sides of the same coin.
I accept that women should be free to choose how to dress but the socialisation is patriarchal.
I don't think we can get away from it currently. It just depends on whether you're socialised in a conservative or liberal way.

Most of my Muslim friends are more liberal and have chosen their lifestyle. I've also seen the more conservative ones choose to be more conservative and are often more conservative than their parents. Most who adopt the hijab do so before they even have a partner so can't blame that.
There's a different kind of pressure that comes from the wider society.
It's complex and linked to ideas of identity.

Why doesn’t the world care ? Where are the screaming protests and riots about this. These poor poor women and children and the world is happy to shrug and turn away. I wonder if the zeitgeist for focusing on ‘Islamophobia’ has been a clever device to stop people from legitimately questioning Islamist regimes.

@Muthaofcats I do wonder.
There should be outrage, massive protests, solidarity with these women.
However, I find it unlikely that there will be anything.

You don't want to leave the boys to be raised by those tossers, they need to be saved too.

i wish that instead of grown men coming over we would take in these poor girls as refugees.

I don't understand why people are going on about demonstrations and marches and so on.
World leaders don't care about this. Men don't care about this.
Firstly, they're all Muslims, secondly they're all foreigners and thirdly, it affects women.
The only people who will fight this are other women and there'll be as little publicity as possible.