Women are banned from talking in public

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Women through new laws issued by Afghanistan’s Taliban rulers, are now banned on speaking in public as a woman's voice is considered "intimate" and should not be heard. I feel so sad and helpless for their situation. At least I am educated and in this situation would try to limit birth control without my husband being aware of my actions, if I could.
Does anyone know how they can be helped?

We’re incredibly lucky and really need to appreciate what our ancestors created for us in the West. It’s honestly heartbreaking to see it slipping away piece by piece in so many different ways.

Let’s not forget that we, the West, also abandoned them.

Who are these men you speak of that are fleeing and leaving behind women who depend on them? It’s a genuine question, it keeps being mentioned but I haven’t read anything on it.

Every time the West has invaded Afghanistan to try and re establish democratic rights, it has gone horribly wrong.
Nonetheless, every woman on MN needs to post support for the Afghan women on here and on other social media.

Are you sleeping? Do you know there are hundreds upon thousands of Afghan men seeking asylum in Europe while the women are left to fend for themselves, unable to leave their front door without a male chaperone?
Are you honestly that out of touch with reality or being deliberately dense?

Some reading for you. As stated throughout this thread women are not allowed cross the border so it is Afghan males who are seeking asylum in the west not the women who desperately need sanctuary.
How can you actually comment on this thread & not be aware of this?

ecre.org/ecre-policy-note-seeking-protection-afghan-asylum-applicants-in-the-eu/#:~:text=In%20Europe%2C%20Afghans%20seeking%20international,across%20the%2027%20EU%20MS.

What would you have done - stayed indefinitely?

When the electorate wants to stop their dc dying in another country and vote against it do you ignore that?

Just looked at some figures - no idea if they are correct but it says globally 45% of Afghan migrants are female. Obvious that figure includes numbers from before the current situation.

The reductive description of Afghan men seeking sanctuary at the expense of their own women and implying moral cowardice or predatory motives is unhelpful and not representative of the complexity of the situations.

Many of the migrants I have met have been young males whose mothers - when alive - wanted them out of the country. There are many with relatives who are not safe because of past alliances. It’s a desperate situation all round and the tragedy of the reality for women doest’t stop the boys and men from suffering too. Not really the points for this board but to engage with the realities for women is to engage with the bigger picture for the country.

I would love if those figures were true, there was a lull & maybe (hopefully) the women who had the capacity to leave left.
I hear what you are saying about mother's wanting their sons to leave, as a mother you would do anything to ensure your child had a better, safer life than you did. It is a horrific, terrifying tragedy with no apparent end in sight..

https://www.newstalk.com/news/afghan-in-ireland-says-countrywomen-feel-abandoned-by-the-world-1758825

Definitely wouldn't have just scarpered overnight, leaving all the weapons. And leaving all my allies and workers for dead.

You haven’t actually provided evidence that women who are dependent on these men have been abandoned (I am sure in some cases that is true), what you have done is provide evidence women aren’t permitted to leave. This is actually not the same thing.

Thank you very much for insulting me, and bringing the nastiness that sits behind
your words to the surface.

What nastiness? It's obvious the women are abandoned as the men have left in droves! There are millions of Afghan men in Europe who are doing nothing to raise awareness for the plight of the women in Afghanistan & it is fair to ask why? And why have they left women to fend for themselves when they cannot.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/08/17/women-flight-refugees-afghanistan-kabul/

Maybe have a read of this @PeasfullPerson before you accuse me of "nastiness" for suggesting that Afghan men also need to be held accountable for the plight faced by Afghan women.

Of course I agree that in an ideal world they would want to raise awareness, but given that men don’t generally do this, I think it unfair and reductive (and prejudiced) to single them out.

Many of them are most likely victims. It isn’t OK to hold victims accountable for the crimes of the perpetrators.

Is it likely that those who have fled are the ones who have the power or courage to make a difference??? Or are you flogging this dead horse for a different reason.

Is it only Afghan men that you expect to speak out about women’s rights, or do you expect the same from the men of any country? Is it something that regularly happens in your world?

So leave gradually taking weapons, it would have been better for sure

Although whether it would stop the subsequent oppression by the Taliban no one can know.

What proportion of that weaponry was intended for the Afghan army?

Did we train them and leave them with arms and the Taliban then took it all over

It was a while ago, but someone might save me googling

But I feel in this case men should be held accountable as it is young men leaving in droves & once they reach safety they should be using every tool at their disposal to raise awareness for the women they deserted.. Men get off too lightly.

Is it likely they have the power to make a difference you ask?
Absolutely 100% they do.

Well if you take two seconds to read the thread title we are discussing women's complete lack of rights in Afghanistan. So obviously males make up the rest of the Afghan demographic which is why they are being discussed.

There is nothing stopping you from creating a thread about men in general & discuss how they perceive womens rights but this thread is focusing on Afghanistan.

From what I remember, the Afghan army were left equipped to keep the peace, but basically capitulated to the Taliban about five minutes later.

https://www.reuters.com/article/world/afghan-men-oppose-more-womens-rights-elders-less-hardline-idUSKCN1PN0TY/

Interesting read, perhaps it explains why the millions of young Afghan men in Europe are doing fuck all to help women back in the place they themselves are seeking refuge from.

It’s all such a mess. What it really explains is how lack of education and exposure to other models and histories blights development. Hard to see how change can happen.

And also the fact that Afghan women have no access to education. Girls used to be able to attend school until age 12.. Now girls will grow up unable to read or write, leave their homes without a male or speak outside. It's abysmal.

It is. An abomination.

Same that's what I recall

In which case there was a group trained and equipped and it was handed over