Update on "riots" tonight from local news sites

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Brighton - Less than 10 anti-immigration 'protesters' and about 1,500 counter-protesters with more arriving all the time. Jazz band playing. No violence observed or reported. A couple of buses had to stop for a few minutes to get through the crowd.

Hastings likewise - a handful of anti-immigrationists, and hundreds of counter protesters, chanting "say it loud, say it clear, refugees are welcome here".

Of course I would say Islamophobia is filthy. It is.

Don't you think anti-semitism is filthy?

@Pookerrod just out of interest, what reasons would they give for only wanting 10 hours a week? Childcare issues?

You would have to build 1,673 houses PER WEEK every week for a year just to accommodate this years intake of refugees. That's before you even start on the regular British residents housing needs. Let's face it, the councils can't even fix the pot holes, never mind building 80,000 homes.

Just because a person dies it doesn't mean that their house suddenly becomes available, there are quite possibly other residents living in the home.

You would make it extremely expensive to have an empty house!!!! why on earth should it be? it is not the responsibility of home owners to provide shelter for immigrants.

If my grandma left me a cottage by the sea, I would be delighted. I would probably spend weekends there. What right do you have to suggest I can't do that. It's my house and I can do what I like with it, you think you have the right to bankrupt me because I want to use my own property as I see fit.

Anyway, after you have finished bankrupting home owners, and run out of taxpayers money building houses for other people, what then???

@Rosedreaming your 1.41 am post is so powerful.

I really think - and hope - that most people are just plain ignorant of the things you describe.

Hopefully you've informed a few people with that contribution.

Here's hoping things get easier for the Jewish community soon.

Childcare was often one. Or other family care responsibilities. Although most carers were mature with at least school aged children. More often than not though, no explanation was given, just “circumstances have changed”.

The HR person felt it was related to the benefits system. I’m not terribly knowledgable in that area but if I remember correctly, she mentioned something about 10 hours per week being the sweet spot for being able to get working tax credits, house benefits and other benefits. So it ended up whereby someone could work 10 hours per week but be as well off as someone who worked full time at the agency.

But as I said, this is not my area of expertise and I know nothing about the benefits system so if I have that wrong, don’t come at me! It was a theory by the HR director.

Being Zionist means you believe the Jews have a right to a homeland. At its basic level that is all. Being anti Zionist means you don't believe that. And it is antisemitic. Saying you hate Zionists when the overwhelming majority of Jews have Zionist beliefs means you hate most Jews

Thats some interpretation - and its interpretations like that the gets genuinely fair criticism of the right wing Israeli government confused with anti semitism and gets posts deleted from this site way too often.
The Israeli government (and some Israeli people) are occupying land that is not theirs and it's against international law. That needs criticising and acknowledged.
It's no difference to the immigrants to America believing in Manifest Destiny and taking the land off the Indigenous People or white settlers taking Aboriginal land.

My refugee friend came to the UK in preference to France because there is already an established community of people of the same ethnic group as herself including many who, like her, had been horrendously oppressed in her country of origin.

She arrived in the boot of a car though, not a rubber dinghy.

That's not the issue...the issue was the rest of the statement

But they often were t made, were they? There have been plenty of high profile European criminals here. Criminals come from everywhere, including UK.

But shouldn’t the logical consequence be to improve background checks?
Not to imply that because it wasn’t done properly in the past, people arriving without passports shouldn’t be considered an issue?

A preference for European immigrants is often disguised racism, on the basis of skin colour.

I can see where you’re coming from, but I’m not sure how often it’s actually the case that for example someone who dislikes people as a group simply based on their skin colour would be welcoming to say Eastern Europeans.

@ErrolTheDragon

"There's a world of difference between the level of language a retiree needs vs that needed to hold down a job."

Sorry but that all depends on what type of job- a call centre worker or as a GP then yes. But there were large numbers of Polish plumbers, electricians, builders that came to the UK and worked well and very successfully with limited English

I've also just seen a video of pro Palestine protesters in Brighton chanting "from the river to the sea". So peaceful and non threatening these far left groups.

Well, actually, yes, it is hard to understand why they decide to risk their lives in those dinghies just because of language preferences.
My own family has actually been in a similar situation (I’ve told their story on here before).
They wanted to escape an oppressive regime and move to a Western country where they had friends who’d moved several years before.
My family learned the language of that country, their friends said they’d help them settle. But then said country stopped accepting new arrivals.
So my family ended up moving to an entirely different place, where they didn’t speak the language at all. It wasn’t easy, but they made it work in the end.

No, that's the correct interpretation, before the word was misappropriated.

The day hundreds of thousands of people all over the world start protesting and demanding white people leave Australia and the US is the day I'll accept that being anti-Zionism isn't anti-Semitic.

Although if you don't mean to get out of Israel and just the Palestinian Territories then that's fine. That's not what "From the river to the sea" means though.

Well, actually, yes, it is hard to understand why they decide to risk their lives in those dinghies just because of language preferences.

People have different perceptions of risk though. Loads of people do things for fun that I would never even contemplate considering. So why not for a better life?

Can you show what this analysis is based on?
In 2023 there were 67,369 new asylum seekers in the UK. Around a third will not be accepted, and obviously some will not need a house to themselves - they are families or single young people who will live in shared houses like other single young people in the UK. Your figures are more than a new house for every asylum seeker who entered in 2023.

People have different perceptions of risk for sure.
I still find it quite strange to compare immigrants getting into those dinghies to some sort of adventure or fun activity akin to high risk sports.
I’m glad that my own family didn’t choose that “fun risky” route when they tried to improve their lives and instead went to a country that initially wasn’t their first choice.

I still find it quite strange to compare immigrants getting into those dinghies to some sort of adventure or fun activity akin to high risk sports.

I wasn't comparing getting into a dinghy to a high risk sport, I said that there were people taking part in activities that I would consider too risky for fun so of course there would be people willing to do risky activities for far more compelling reasons like building a better life for themselves.

You're the poster who thinks a Jewish man wearing a kippah walking down the street is the same thing as a football hooligan wearing a Celtic top to an orange march. Your definition of Zionism is probably something painfully anti-Semitic

No - there you go again with your selective interpretation of what I have said. If I recall correctly it was widely accepted by many that the 'Jewish man wearing a kippah' was not just 'walking down the street'. He was wholly and deliberately intending to provoke a reaction and surprise surprise, he got one. Go back and fact check his stunt with his on hand photographer.

Don't feel you can freely call people anti- Semitic because they disagree with your singular interpretations or you will have to call many Jewish people anti Semitic.

Anti-semitism is wrong just as racism is wrong because it insults and dehumanises people. Dehumanising and degrading Palestinians in their own lands and those living in the State of Israel is wrong. There are no special dispensations for certain 'types' of discrimination/prejudice. It's all wrong - and denying people citizenship because they are not of the Jewish Faith and living is Israel is wrong.

I guess the Jewish men are anti-Semitic by your interpretation

Think you need to do more research there.

Neturei karta 🙄ironically one of the only things most Jews manage to agree on is they disagree with this fringe extremist sect 😅