British working/lower class only

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I’m personally not okay with rioting but understand why it’s happening.
What is the best way to fix this issue and do you think it is mass immigration that has caused it?

No rioting in London (yet at least). Schools in London had high levels of investment in the late nineties and early noughties. Levels of educational attainment are higher there for lots of other reasons too. Aspiration and hope is more common.

So I'd be looking at investing more heavily in education in areas which have seen rioting. It won't be a quick fix but it was help develop a population of critical thinkers who have options and qualifications. If I was the PM I'd be getting on to this pronto. Sure Start too.

It's an investment in education but also constant support. You mention aspiration and hope in London, which I think is missing in certain places. Something needs to be done in the home because you can provide all the education resources in the world, but if someone isn't supported enough to take them up, then nothing will change.

The education needs to start at the bottom - so reintroducing sure start centres and having health visitors who actually visit rather than expecting you to go to them. Finding ways to engage new parents in these programmes.

When the blm protests happened their was talk of abolishing the monarchy and some appetite for It

Summerflames why should the BLM protests particularly cause talk of abolishing the monarchy?

Yes! I went to children's centres with my eldest, and the workers were terrific at going into the community to engage with groups less likely to attend but might benefit. Less funding meant fewer workers and less community engagement.

I don't think the Royal Family are allowed to get involved in politics. They have to remain neutral.

I know they need to remain impartial but I'm thinking surely Elizabeth would have said something by now about uniting as a nation, and as a society without bringing political leanings into it.

Just makes me wonder why charles hasn't.

I recall at the time there was things going round on SM about abolishing the monarchy as many believe it's an outdated concept.

I recall at the time there was things going round on SM about abolishing the monarchy as many believe it's an outdated concept.

There are frequent demands that the monarchy be abolished, demands which are usually more in the news at things like the Jubilee, coronation or Queen’s funeral etc. I wasn’t aware the BLM riots caused more desire for a republic.

I purposely haven't read the rest of the posts on here. All I have to say is that the riots that are happening across the UK now have nothing to do with what happened in Southport. A beautiful memorial took place in that town last weekend, which is what should have been the reaction to what happened to those poor girls. The far right took this up as an excuse to stir up conflict, if if hadn't been this they would have found something else.

Esme, makes a good point in reminding us of migrants used as weapons of war by Russia etc bringing them to borders.I think Finland has an issue with that at the moment - they are being brought up there as an "easy" route into the EU https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/7/12/finland-passes-law-to-block-asylum-seekers-crossing-from-russia.

This illustrates how complex the issues are on so many fronts.

English law is currently under the Illegal Migration Act 2023 which " changes the law so that those who arrive in the UK illegally will not be able to stay here and will instead be detained and then promptly removed, either to their home country or a safe third country". Labour removed some Vietnamese recently on a flight originally booked for Rwanda but which went to Vietnam instead. However there are so many people coming that it is the sheer numbers issue which is the problem. Then legal migration is completely different an issue and yet again we have record numbers just about and labour having committed to deal with this in its manifesto -

"Under the Tories, migration has hit record highs. Small boat crossings so far in 2024 are higher than ever recorded at this point in the year. Labour will act to bring down migration, strengthening wages and conditions for Britain’s workers, linking our skills plans for young people with the jobs our businesses need to fill, and implementing a practical plan to tackle the small boat chaos."

So it is not nasty racists or even "nasty" Tories wanting to cut the record migration but the "nice" Labour party who plan to bring it right down.

They don't care that's why no statement issued as it doesn't affect them in any way

I also think that strategically if they were seen on tv right now, in the midst of people rioting over inequalities, the focus would right shift to questions about their own privilege which they are loathed to let go of!

Good point @unmp .

yeah i could be wrong but i think i saw something at the time about abolishing the monarchy round about the time of the blm riots but I may be incorrect on that point. I know people where angry at the British empire being built on the backs of the slave trade and I think it got intermingled with that on some stuff I saw but a lot has happened since then.

I know people say the royal family have to stay out of politics and general events but it seems they pick and choose what will show them in the best light and constantly focus on self preservation

At a time of such divide and unrest within the country, they stay silent, however will post lovely pictures of themselves on holiday or on state visits which no one questions on how this is being funded in the midst of a cost of living crisis

Immigration is an easy target in my opinion, the poor families in temporary accommodation are easily targets than the monarchy which remains so out of reach/ touch with the very lives of the people they are supposed to serve

At the coronation such a gross display of wealth, yet the public queued for hours for a glimpse of the royals! Ridiculous double standard

So it's ok for George to attend a school costing thousands per term, but our state primary schools remain under funded and yet we fawn!

Even parents struggling to pay the added vat cost to send their children to independent schools, just sit and accept it, and yet we fawn!

We all need to get a grip and a reality check and focus our demands on the right people

Excellent post. All of this.

A comment from Met police chief Mark Rowley, reported on the BBC app this morning:

"The Met chief said that 70% of people who have been arrested by police have previous criminal convictions and urged people not to be swayed by far-right ideology."

So definitely troublemakers.

All of this. No leadership and no relevance to most people's lives, therefore no point to them.

Ended up watching some videos on the DM website. I would say none of those rioters attacking Greggs or Shoezone gave a monkeys about immigration apart from some misguided envy of people who’ve done better than them, often homegrown but from a minority background. Tell me that the girl, early 20s walking out of a shop with a bagful of crocs in her arms or the 2 who’d nicked a bagful of stuff from Lush, both nicely dressed, giggling, normal looking, well dressed, are nothing but opportunistic thieves, ground down by immigration, my arse 😂

100% agree with you.

There is a not insignificant number of U.K. residents who are downtrodden and struggling with poverty and lack of opportunity. They are wrongly targeting immigrants but there is a conversation to be had about how we- as society - could be doing more to bring up everyone’s prospects.

The rioters are not working class. The working class are not smashing up Shoezone and stealing Crocs. The rioters are mainly the feral underclass. It’s offensive to suggest that the average working class adult would engage in such mindless thuggery.

Actually the girl stealing crocs was the one thing that made me sad.

Absolutely spot on

@somepeopleareunbelievable

"I've learned that the extreme left and extreme right have quite a lot in common, and neither are good"

Exactly.

Yes, most people want a good life, safe, warm, housed, fed and be able to enjoy some time off in a way that makes them happy. This is universal. However, I do think the society we have created a situation where secure good housing is becoming increasingly something for the wealthy. The glee when house prices rise is disgusting. Who does it benefit? Safety is another issue. I’ve lived in some dodgy areas in my time and the underlying anxiety that being in an unsafe area gives is very insidious.