British working/lower class only

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I’m personally not okay with rioting but understand why it’s happening.
What is the best way to fix this issue and do you think it is mass immigration that has caused it?

Not killed in my previous post, I meant jailed.

And of course I don’t agree with attacking anyone or property.

Everyone deserves it, that's the point.

But when we don't get it we don't riot and attack people because the colour of their skin.

blacksax if you look at the Rotherham pics, thuglife brought a St Georges cross flag with England printed on it, and sprayed the anarchist symbol onto the four quarters, then brought it to ten foot from the back doors when setting fires at the back door.

So they want to be seen as anarchists.

Ok I've been down a proper rabbit hole now.

Not in my area (which is oop north)
So you can ask at the job centre for funding for courses, yep, but they wont fund this bricklaying course, not even the beginner one and theres three levels. So you need at least 3 grand. You can fill out forms at the college if you know about them (they are reasonably hidden and you'd have to know what to look for) but they only cover clothes, lunch, transport and 3k for childcare a year, not per course. Not the actual course fees.

You could, again if you know about it ask for bursaries from a couple of different places, which involves yet more form filling and a wait for a yes or no. In the meantime if you managed to do all of those things and were successful you'd lose your benefits as soon as you started the course. Because your are not then available for work which is the basic premise of job seekers allowance.
So now you are without benefits for 12 weeks, the length of the course. Still got to pay the bills and have a fight on your hands to reclaim in 12 weeks.

Then finally each course is only run once year, so you have to do this all again next year and the year after to get your qualifications.

I'm pretty good with stuff like this but I reckon I would give up after the first bricklaying course, I could not deal with that stress again next year when no doubt the qualifying criteria for each element will have changed.

And that's just the bricklaying.
I didnt even look into roofing or plumbing.

We don't do long term strategies in the UK

This is quite true, not least because by the time you reach the point of the long term, the government's probably flipped back to the opposition anyway who then change it all again! That and, as you say, governments not listening to qualified, experienced advisors. I know they have their own advisors, but the best advisors will be working for big businesses where their advice earns them ££££. The advisors the government are left with are those less expert that are happy to accept the £ the government pays them instead.

The old adage of you pay peanuts, you get monkeys, springs to mind.

I know that in principle not a huge amount changes from one government to the next, but rioting just after a government has come into power seems pointless to me.

Protest, yes, to make feelings known. Riot, never in any circumstance, but definitely not when someone hasn't even been given the opportunity to do anything.

Oldham, Burnley, Bradford and a huge amount of work has been done to desegregate previously segregated communities but poverty is still a common denominator in these towns.

It's not immigration at all. That is just a distraction fuelled by the media (which is mostly privately run and owned by unimaginably rich people who want to keep it that way) to stop people focussing on the years of corrupt government, the mega wealthy hoarding all the wealth, and capitalism run riot. And years upon years of unjustifiable austerity.

We live in a country where one of our most basic human needs...a home...has been turned into a commodity that most people are now priced out of with no end in sight. How is it right that we all use homes to make money? And that someone can buy up loads of houses, not to live in, but to make loads of money from? It's actually nuts and I sort of hate that as a home owner, I am also a part of this capitalist bat shittery.

The media have done a smashing job of making sure no one is looking at the actual causes of poverty, lack of healthcare and good education and is instead focussing on a tiny group of vulnerable people who do not have a voice in our society.

I can’t unfortunately edit my post. Typing error. People weren’t killed , I meant many were jailed.

It’s OK, I know what happened. Crucially in my opinion, the riots stopped after the Bradford ones - the ones with the long jail sentences.

I agree with this.

Do you really think anyone is concerned about legal immigrants coming here to work, I'm not but I am worried about undocumented men on dinghy's without any qualifications from cultures poles apart from ours, and if they are given leave to remain and turfed out of their hotels into the real world where do they live and what jobs do they do.

I of course don’t agree with violence or disorder.

But I think it’s perfectly understandable that people are concerned that unchecked / unvetted people are coming here by boat and can stay when the UK government has absolutely no way of finding out about these people’s history.

If this is the case , what the point in having immigration staff at airports, that have the power to turn people away?

If I wanted to live in the US or Australia, they would have strict vetting procedures to check who I am.

Totally agree

It is perceived as uncontrolled.

Perception matters.

Do you remember in the 0s they were meant to be building housing for key workers then it all went quiet

Housing associations cant cope with tenants who work. It doesnt suit their timetable

Some certainly. I've been employed at a large factory in the recent past, for many years. There were when I started 20 apprentices each year, doing various things like electrical, plumbing, decorating and more. In my last year, there were 2 electrical apprentices and none expected for the following year, for any trade.
Because they cost money to train, taking workers time away from the jobs that need doing and the company was doing a huge costs savings exercise.

To my mind it's short sighted, in a couple of years they'll need many new staff and they will have to pay loads of money out for these trades. But I didn't run the company.

So not as many apprentice places as there used to be, less staff being trained on the job, means more being trained full time in college if they can get the funds.

Nor do I

@flapjackfairy

So are the government lying about needing to recruit from abroad

How awful for your dd. Should have free training for healthcare professionals, this used to be the case

My first thought on reading this was that this is less than the wound care budget for the NHS in 2021, which was £8.3 billion. Most of that on venous leg ulcers, yeah a lot of money spent on immigration. But as a country we spend more on other issues.

Hasn’t 600- 700 k people coming here legally every year?

The UK has never had a cap on legal migration so it depends what you class as uncontrolled.

The number of new asylum seekers has been the same more or less as the cost (it has been very stable for years).
That is until the Tories decided the best way was to stop dealing with asylum claims. So the number if asylum seekers increased, not because there has been many new asylum seekers but because no one of them were going through the process and actualy given asylum (and a visa, which meant been able to work, integrate in the society etc…).
A a result, cost has exploded.

It was a voluntary choice.
The previous government created the situation where it now cost hugely more to look after asylum seekers.
Its not because we are ‘invaded’ (even though the aim was to be able to say that!)

Note asylum seekers are not illegal.
And it’s a very different situation than immigrants who come with a visa.

It was/is a money maker. For the hotels and companies like Serco