British working/lower class only

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I’m personally not okay with rioting but understand why it’s happening.
What is the best way to fix this issue and do you think it is mass immigration that has caused it?

I grew up working class but got a degree a d know a lot of middle class - it does piss me off that they act so superior and are so quick to throw the racism card around (I don't mean at the genuine racist thugs, I mean at anyone who voted brexit for example... it's just so polarising and superior and plays into the hands of the genuine racists). I've learned that the extreme left and extreme right have quite a lot in common, and neither are good.

As well as the investment already mentioned, we need huge investment in education, holiday clubs, wrap round activities, youth clubs etc to give children a hope to not grow up like their parents. Otherwise the next generation just ends up the same, I see it all the time in my estate.

Not sure your comparison is as clever as you think it is. Jews in Germany, Lithuania, Poland etc were natural born citizens and had been for generations. That is not the same situation as today.

And they'll say they're on the side of the working class, but it's a romanticised view of working class that suits their middle class agendas

Totally agree @blacksax

I just knew this was going to happen judging by the horrendous comments on Twitter/X shortly after Southport.

This.
I have a friend (although considering that title at the moment). Anything he can do to attack the government, no matter what the politics.

Two tier policing, Labours suggested resolution to the housing of refugees through distribution throughout the UK without a care for the people being dumped in areas of small populations or those already there, KSs attention on white riots not on any others. Housing issues where priority of council housing is given to those who are new to the UK over the existing population. People feel unsupported by the party they were relying on to help them.

I'm not the demographic you are looking for but keen to find resolution, and believe the only way is to be honest about what is being said by both white people and 2nd / 3rd gen immigrants in the UK rather than screaming out racist at every turn.

Mass immigration has not caused this. It’s much more complex.

The closure of the pits and heavy industries had a massive impact on the tight communities tied to those industries. In a generation or two they were completely gone. This has left a vacuum in some northern towns that has been filled by drugs and disillusionment. Many people there have nothing to look forward to after school. What they need (and we all need) is a good education system, an established industry to support secure jobs, and the promise of a future. Successive governments have let them down at every turn. Historically they are not right wing communities - they’re proud, law-abiding people from the old Labour heartlands left with nothing to do but cast around looking for blame, fuelled by lies from millionaires and a right-wing media. It’s tragic all round and important to point out the troublemakers and those with abhorrent views are still in the minority.

Other northern towns (like many in the south since Mumsnet does like to ‘other’ northerners) have jobs and wealth and well educated people. Shock horror, these places are just like The South.

True colours coming through!

I watch live stream and it is more accurate than any news outlet.
Many of the working class I know don’t give a damn about what’s happening in other countries
Media is not doing anyone any favours because they have their own agendas.
They is no unbiased reporting anymore.

True colours? Do elaborate

This is because of a backlog of processing. Of course asylum seekers are expensive whilst you are not processing their claims - they are sat in hotels, unable to work or claim benefits, wholly reliant on the state. Asylum claims need to be processed much more quickly, claimants either given refugee status (then they can work) or returned.

I think this is at root an attempt to derail the labour government and discourage foreign investment for growth. It achieves this by recruiting racists and idiots to do the dirty work.

What do you expect him to say? You poor people throwing bricks at police and setting fire to libraries and hotels-I see your concerns and don’t worry? They are this violent thugs and deserve to be called so.

I grew up in one of the most deprived constituencies in the country.

There is a huge issue with loss of social housing, loss of community and loss of funding for many public services including those aimed at children.

None of those issues have been caused by decisions made by immigrants or asylum seekers. They're decisions that have been made by primarily a Tory Govn (although the Coalition and New Labour played their part too!)

We should be angry about the lack of funding in public services. We should be angry about the rates of poverty and homelessness. None of those issues are solved by violence or damaging infrastructure. That library in Liverpool is now out of use - how does that help address the issue?

I'm deeply ashamed of the UK. I'm embarrassed that people are turning on other vulnerable groups in horrific ways rather than standing up and demanding a functional state from the people in power.

There are posts going around showing some migrant men, running around with machetes and reports of them harassing women in
town centres.

I suppose these events would fuel what’s going on.

On mass immigration not being the problem- the UK population has gone up by 10 million in 20 years.

Of course immigration must be taken into account, regardless of what nationality people are.

Public services and investment hasn’t caught up with immigration numbers.

But what help do British people need? And I'm not meaning to be incendiary.
In my experience, British people are not willing to accept crap wages for wiping the bums of our young nor old; not willing to engage in poorly paid agricultural work (back breaking and seasonal).
We need a reset:

• People need to be paid decently without UC propping up crap employers
• We need to embrace caring skills and pay them well (from early years, through teaching, social care and until demise
• Understand farm to fork in the UK and what it takes to get food on the table - it's not cheap and chickens should not cost a fiver
• The 50% university target was one of the worse political decisions ever (as much as I prefer a Labour government). It fed into the Thatcher narrative that we shouldn't be getting our hands dirty with manual labour

I am not a politician. But our immigrant colleagues fill the HUGE gaps that exist to keep this country going. What we need is a root and branch change where zero hours contracts are not acceptable and people are paid a decent wage commensurate to their contribution to society.

The thing is, we actually need net migration. The birth rate has fallen below replacement levels and we have an ageing population. Without immigration we are truly fucked within a generation and there’s no incentive for people to have kids with the two child benefit cap, cost of living crisis and the housing market being in the state it’s in.

Honestly we need a dramatic policy shift towards funding public services, housing, the NHS and a better standard of education. I was raised poor, I’m working class, but I’m neither thick or racist, so I resent the implication I think like these people.

This is spot on for me. I think the ability to critically assess information and not just blindly take what you see on social media or in the news as gospel is seriously lacking.

I agree, The North has always come second to the south and now it is showing.
I’m always surprised more people don’t go North. Yorkshire people are the friendliest people I have ever met. I suspect the same is true for any northern area

I felt really concerned for the safety of the sky reporter.

Agree. This. This new government seem clueless as to the feeling of the country.
And the slap in the face to our pensioners doesn’t help either.

It’s not related to immigration as a whole. It is related to unskilled immigration from countries where people aren’t brought up with Western values and behaviours.

I live in a former industrial community in the north, which is very tight knit. We are seeing strangers (mostly men) arriving from third world countries, who are taking not contributing, failing to integrate, committing crimes, harassing women and children, etc. There is a perception that “our” women and children are at risk from “them” because they don’t behave like us and don’t have the same values. Crimes like the one in Southport reinforce this belief.

I see a lot of different people of different colours and religions being welcomed and included here. The issue arises when the new people aren’t like us in values and behaviours.

Exactly this - people like to punch down. It’s much easier to pick a scapegoat who you feel you have power over to kick vs taking on the bigger structural problems.

Yes anger is being directed at the wrong people. No Muslim has been involved in any of the recent crimes yet a mosque was targeted.
I blame the tool Tommy Twat Robinson for fuelling the flames. He needs to be held accountable as do the people targeting the police force and mosques.

Meanwhile Tommy. Many Names suns himself in an all inclusive while inciting others to riot!

Who are the ones that will end up going to prison, restricting their life choices even further while he laughs all the way to the bank!

I don't particularly feel sorry for them by the way but they are being stitched up & let down again!