British working/lower class only

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I’m personally not okay with rioting but understand why it’s happening.
What is the best way to fix this issue and do you think it is mass immigration that has caused it?

@GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER you dint think that in the last years the stories have created just the right configuration for an explosion? Just by going on agd on about ‘the boats’, abd so (started with T May).

This gave people with racist views the perfect platform to say they were right afterall.

But you seem to think we need to go back 15+ years to find the explanation.
Even though many of the people rioting were children/teens at the time and very likely have no memory of G Brown encounter with a woman…..

I'm from a working class background and an area of little diversity.

I looked up population stats the other day and noticed that in the past few years the population has grown by less than the number of immigrants. So problems with housing, access to NHS, infrastructure, schools etc can't possibly be down to the number of immigrants.

The population of Uk is also getting older. The median age of immigrants to Uk however is younger. So, it's hard to see why immigration at its current level is likely to be a genuine problem.

Recently RS described the fact of (desperate) people crossing the channel on dinghies as 'Not right and not fair'. This is a much simpler and catchier way to blame people for conservative policies and mismanagement than to point out the more complex aspects of taxation and lack of housing stock.

Yup... the types of people that moan about people "coming over here and taking our jobs", but can't hold a job down themselves because they're too lazy and get sacked, or are too lazy to actually get a job in the first place because "I'm not doing that for that money - it's shit".

Then they teach their own kids that education isn't important because "look where it got me", and the cycle perpetuates.

A relative of mine used to work for a local council and would speak to people daily that were being threatened with bailiffs for non-payment of council tax.

No word of a lie, a guy came in one day and said my relative had to help him because he couldn't afford it. Relative said, OK, I can help put together a file that explains why and asks for some concessions, so what's the reason you can't pay. "Oh, well we've just come back from Disney World in Orlando, so we've got nothing left this month."

He also sat down with people to help them with their budgeting, but they refused to give up their fag money, beer money or Sky Sports money.

I have no idea what the answer is. Unfortunately these types of people wouldn't be happy no matter what the government did or what they gave them. It still wouldn't be enough.

The NHS is suffering, clearly, but we need immigration to help us. My doctor's surgery lists the doctors and where they qualified. 7 GPs, two from Pakistan, two from India and 3 from the UK.

My old doctors surgery has 16 GPs. 9 qualified in the UK. Literally none of them have a traditionally "British" names so are of immigrant descent, if not immigrants themselves.

My office has 18 staff members in it:

• 7 British people
• 2 Indian
• 1 Romanian
• 1 French caribbean
• 2 Sri Lankans
• 1 Iranian
• 1 Pakistani
• 1 Nepalese
• 1 Irish
• 1 Spanish

I count myself as one of the British people in the above list, but my own grandmother is an immigrant!

Without immigration, I don't know what my company would look like in terms of its own success.

The rioters are stupid though. Labour have only just got into power - what the fuck are they supposed to have achieved by now?!

Or is it, just possibly, an excuse for the twats in our society to just do what they want with no consideration for anyone other than themselves?! Of course it is.

The thing is if we paused immigration for a few years, I think it would start to affect relationships with emerging economies in the world, no?

Prices would rise and we would be worse off. At best there would be no real difference economically.

We would then have to finally tax the uber rich, which we should just get on and do now.

The fatal shooting of a Black British man in 2001 and the murder of two white British children and an immigrant child by a Black British man in 2024 both relate to murder of/by Black British men, so it could be argued that the two are interlinked. Race is the common factor and the demonisation of all immigrants in recent years along with mistrust in the police has undoubtedly polarised communities.

Well yes, I'm sure she has, but I think the government needs more than a few weeks (in the summer recess) to fix it or come up with ideas to fix it.

Perhaps everyone should give them an actual chance first!

This. We need to make up for 14 years of total neglect by one of the most useless governments in my lifetime (& given I go back to Eden, Heath and Callaghan - that's saying something)!

That’s a stretch.

2011 London riots and the 2024 are not similar

Not entirely blocked. They can take out a loan for training if they're not in the 16-19 group that would qualify for the 16-19 Learner Support Fund (£1200 paid to the student) + Discretionary Bursary (the school/college chooses how to support) and then there would also be Discretionary Learner support from 19 or an Advanced Learner loan/help with costs through a loan bursary fund if they're over level 3 - so already have GCSE English & Maths and would already be ahead in terms of literacy and numeracy compared to those who would be eligible for completely free English & Maths as part of a jobseeking agreement.

For travel, you have

4. Support for the unemployed
Jobcentre Plus Travel Discount Card
This is provided to those unemployed claiming Jobseekers Allowance or Universal Credit for 3-9 months (18-24 year olds) or 3-12 months (over 25s). Other benefit recipients may receive a Jobcentre Plus Travel Discount Card from 3 months of their claim and if they are actively engaged with a Jobcentre Plus adviser. Cardholders are entitled to a 50% discount on selected rail tickets.

Flexible support fund
May be used at the discretion of Jobcentre Plus staff to help with the cost of travelling to an interview, training or for the first months of travelling to work.

There's actually a huge amount of stuff out there.

I don't support mass immigration due to culture clash and lack of integration. I care less so about economics.

I think the U.K. economy would start to suffer first.
Because like it or not, the U.K. needs immigrants. That’s why the number of immigrants has increased in the last few years, despite the very strict visa conditions.

This is a really important point. I've worked with students in this situation who faced their benefits being docked or who couldn't afford the bus fare to college. Its absolutely horrendous for people who want to improve their lives and then face these barriers. I'm sorry @Zusammen if you've been in this situation.

So these people voted for Brexit, screwing over lots of people in the process. They can’t now complain that we are not sympathetic. They didn’t care about the opportunities they took away from us, why should we care about them?
For some reason they didn’t do any research and just believed lies on the side of a bus, they lost EU grants/subsidies, it is their own fault.

November 2010 the student protest

It's often the down-and-outs who look for someone to blame for their problems. This is usually triggered by misinformation and a lack of critical thinking skills.

Here is a video that gives you an idea of the kind of people we're dealing with:

In 2008 earning dropped because of a worldwide financial crisis not immagration form the EU

That wasn’t a riot

There are not generations unemployed.

The rowntree trust (spl) did a thorough research on this. Less than 0.5 households without work had 2 generations unemployed. There were none with three generations unemployed.

Because living on fuck all money, at the whim of some job centre wanker who might stop your benefits at any time and leave you three weeks without money is not fun. So you grow up and realise you dont want that for yourself.

I'll put a good amount of money on a bet that most of the 1.5 million people currently unemployed are unable to work, but also unable to claim other benefits like disability related. So stuck on job seekers.

and @Zet1 Thankyou for proving my point. Some will never miss an oppurtunity to say how shit SH tenants are. There was a recent thread on here about prisoners and they were more well thought of than SH tenants are.

To do what? They're not going to do what many, many people (including a host of Nobel winning economists) have been calling for and invest heavily in healthcare, education, welfare and infrastructure. They're sticking to the same fiscal rules imposed by the last government.

We don't do long term strategies in the UK, apart from moving public assets & wealth into private hands. I can't imagine how long it would take to undo the damage successive governments have done to the UK or how you'd sell the case to the electorate.

Something approaching what's needed was offered by Labour under Corbyn and the entire establishment, including most of our current cabinet worked to prevent it.

A lot of young people learning a trade will be doing so on an apprenticeship, not full time at college.

I used the term 'anarchists' on another thread last night (one which has now been deleted) and someone questioned my use of it on there as well, telling me that it didn't mean what I think it means. While I was driving home from work just now I remembered about it, so I just looked it up in my dictionary. It does mean what I think it means.

Among the uses of 'anarchy' - utter lawlessness: chaos: complete disorder
And of 'anarch' - an author, promoter or personification of lawlessness

So that does fit really, doesn't it? They want to stir up public disorder. The anarchists co-ordinating these attacks have an agenda, and I don't believe it is entirely the same one as the participants think it is. Which answers your "Why now when Labour have just come into power??" question. I'm old enough to remember this sort of thing happening before. Anarchists don't care about which cause they use, they just want to cause as much disruption to public law and order as they possibly can. They will have their fingers manipulating the Just Stop Oil cause as well, and others too, no doubt. Any excuse to cause trouble.

It is entitled when you believe you are the only ones who deserve that. Yes, people move away. I moved from my city and family in order to afford secure housing. It's life for many of us!

I agree with this. Years ago Labour were the party of the working class, but that all changed under Tony Blair's "New Labour" and ever since then the Labour Party has become more for the middle class.

Sorry typo fault ! Jailed… NOT killed