Farage inciting division, thread #2

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Maybe if you stopped insulting other posters your posts would not be deleted!

Well given that Sir Mark Rowley walked out of it and grabbed and smashed the mike of a reporter who tried to ask him a question, I think he's been given a thorough dressing down by Kier!

Short answer is no we don't have enough police to get full control of the streets if the riots spread. Army - we would have to redploy personnel who are overseas which would take time. However, even just a picture of a tank or two in The Sun and spread on social media would have a beneficial psychological effect and get these thugs back in the sinkhole pubs where they belong.

Well given that Sir Mark Rowley walked out of it and grabbed and smashed the mike of a reporter who tried to ask him a question, I think he's been given a thorough dressing down by Kier!

I saw that clip but I couldn't tell how bad tempered versus matter of fact the grab for the mic was.

I suppose there'll be updates this evening. I should try to get a smidge more work done.

I think they consider lots of things. However the army is not better at dealing with civilian unrest than the police. What would you want them to do? Bring in tanks? Shoot rubber bullets? Patrol a curfew? Set up a no go area around towns? At the moment the police react to unrest. An army isn’t the same and we have policing by consent. Move the army in and that’s lost.

Oh hello - when did we get moved to Chat?

Eh, there are no water cannons in the UK? When were rubber bullets used? Link please @Pannyfrants

Eta: or are you being sarcastic? Am not sure!

You don't seem to understand what white privilege is. It's nothing to do with "going to food banks" or employment.
It means my privilege in that I can walk out the door and not worry that I might get attacked just for the colour of my skin.
Or not get pulled out of my car for it either.
That's white privilege.

Well, this depends where you are, surely? Do you genuinely believe this?

White girls targeted in Rotherham/Rochdale, explain their ‘privilege’ please?
Groomed because they were white, and then victim blamed and called whores.

Lee Rigby?

White police officers during BLM riots?

Anecdotally:

My cousin was attacked by a gang of Muslim boys, because she was ‘in their area’. She was hit over the head with a metal object. This was in Tower Hamlets. Police were fucking useless. No newspaper report, but can assure you it’s not an isolated incident.

The nut jobs in Forest Gate (Newham) who wear their ‘soldier of Allah’ T-shirts, and shout abuse about how they’re going to ‘own us’ all in a few years.

I condemn all of the violence, from both sides, and hope people can stay safe.

I think the police should be better tooled up. There's been ongoing racist disorder in Ireland against so-called mass migration - basically racist thugs using a tragic event as an excuse to try to carry out a pogrom. There, the police have been using pepper spray. Of course some liberals have been whining about this but I think anything like that is fine if it gets these thugs off our streets.

I saw the clip too, he just pushed it away. It was still in the reporter’s hand as he walked away. I imagine senior police are pretty stressed at the moment.

Sadly he's a good orator and has a lot of people in tune with him . Look at the number of votes reform got , that tells you how many are followers .

We all know racism is alive in this country but its also evident that classism is alive and kicking as well judging by this thread! 🙄

Ah, right, sorry. I did wonder!

Oh that's OK then, that'll teach me to get my news from Twitter lol

The clip’s on BBC News. ☺️

Pepper spray is used here too. It was used by the police at Manchester airport. Might be difficult to use when the riot shields are up, though.

That was a very interesting read indeed.

I'd hazard a guess that those strategies weren't put into play because it's kind of unbelievable that the "it's a small boat immigrant" bollocks came out so quickly and pretty much before anyone had any idea of what had actually happened and who did it and even then it's kind of boggling that the deaths of children would be leveraged for any reason never mind as an excuse for countrywide unrest.

I've got a few ideas about where some speculation is going to go in the next few days based on incidents in other countries but I'm certainly not going to start it here.

I refuse to believe that the British state would have been incapable of putting something in place to shore up community unity as they did after Manchester, within the first 24 hours.

I appreciate our civil service is perhaps not quite the gold plated rolls royce that it once was but they should have seen that this tragedy was a potential tinderbox and done something stat.

I saw a former counter terrorism chap called Nick Aldworth interviewed on Sky yesterday who said that there was intelligence available to the police for two days that the hotel was going to be targeted, and he actively questioned why more wasn't put in place during those two days like road closures or barrier provisions. He was pretty amazed that the police were in such a small number and the rioters managed to get in. He of course also used communication failure as the reason. But if a ball was dropped, it's a pretty big ball and open to many strands of interpretation. If it was just incompetence and rioting continues, the police had better up their game.

I'm not completely in disagreement with you. My mind goes to some dark places given what's been going on. I've voiced the only option I'm comfortable with sharing to avoid accusations of being unhinged....

Maybe, maybe not.... securing that building with two days notice shouldn't have been that challenging. Maybe there was a bit of "let them get a bit of what they think they want and hope they back off" at play. But that's a very risky strategy indeed.

Clearly nothing more than an afternoon out for most of the Stella can drinking, North Face wearing underclass.

They should be put under curfew, anyone who is or even looks like a rioter, in the house 7pm or face arrest, simples