I’m already fed up of Starmer as PM

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Semi- lighthearted, I know it’s early days, but I’m not convinced of Starmer as an effective leader
He reads from his notes even when giving a short speech; if he really believed in what he is saying, why the need?
He doesn’t seem to have the leadership X factor and doesn’t seem to have a grip on the ongoing riots
Bright new start for UK? Doesn’t feel like it

@Katypp so what do you think should have been done about the strikes? Do you think that resident doctors didn't deserve a pay rise after real terms pay cuts for years?

Do you agree with fire and rehire? Why do you think businesses shouldn't have to pay fair wages and provide decent conditions, including allowing people to be able to budget because they know what they have coming in every month?

I didn't say I agreed with the current means test threshold for the WFA, but I can see why you might have taken it that way. I think it should be set at the point where people start paying income tax.

In terms of asylum, there isn't an easy fix. The Italy option isn't one I want the UK to follow, for reasons set out by @EasternStandard . But it's certainly going to take international collaboration, not headline making schemes like Rwanda - especially in the light of what has emerged today in terms of the Conservatives planning to pay massive financial incentives to volunteers willing to go so that their scheme looked like it was working.

And as for asking 'achieved what' in their dialogue with the EU, I have to go back to what I have been saying since the election: It's been three bloody months! Your lot had 14 years to fuck things up, maybe give this government the grace of, say, one Parliament before you start complaining?

More detail that Starmer can learn from

https://sea-watch.org/en/italy-endangering-people/

plus illegal pull backs

You realise you can learn what not to do by looking at another country’s policies? That finding them interesting doesn’t imply agreement?

Starmer applauded Italy’s 60% reduction in crossings

He flew to meet Meloni to see how

Increased deaths at sea via obstruction and illegal pull backs is how.

Hence all the graveyard articles

Plus his smash the gangs won’t work as anyone could see

He applauded the reduction. I think we all want a reduction, don’t we?
He went to see. he said it was interesting.
That doesn’t mean he agreed.
If he adopts those policies, I will protest vehemently abd disapprove as much as you. I really doubt he will though.
Rwanda was a nonsense of a policy, you must know that?

He’s dim then if he stands applauding something without looking at how it was achieved first.

It’s easy to look at not hidden

As for your last line I can’t see you coming up with much and Aus has success on this if lower numbers are your aim

He can’t do smash the gangs, I doubt he’ll get RNLI to obstruct in the sea and France won’t do illegal pull backs

If I were to rate nonsense policy smash the gangs would be top and Aus more successful, and the reduction in numbers show that

Smashing the gangs would definitely help though. And like I say, it would be very out of character to do push backs or other life threatening stuff. If they do, I’ll condemn them with you, but as with all the daft rumours on here at the moment, let’s wait until we see what’s planned, shall we?

Smashing the gangs would definitely help though.

Well you’ve bought the line but it’s not viable.

I said he was dim to applaud something he hadn’t checked out not that he’d do it.

As per my last post the RNLI is unlikely to obstruct at sea for higher deaths and France won’t do illegal pull backs

Although higher deaths will happen for his policy anyway

So that’s three approaches so far that are out.

He didn’t applaud how it was done. He said reduc8ng it was impressive. Didn’t he go to investigate off shore processing (not the same as Rwanda, that was people being shipped of to be processed for Rwandan citizenship)? That’s something we should be doing, somewhere in France probably.
Nobidy is going to ask the RNLI to turn back boats. They aren’t under government control anyway. The navy won’t either. Nobody will be asked to do anything illegal - that’s why Rwanda was cancelled.
Let’s wait and see shall we? Instead of condemning a government for something they haven’t even said they might do?

I just said RNLI won’t. Twice. I’m assuming you’re reading that.

He is dim for not looking at how Italy did it but I assume he was also looking for headlines

Despite his poor rhetoric 800 plus still cross on a given day and deaths will go up

He’s lucky summer is over but he can revisit next year.

Yes, when I said they won’t ask the RNLi that was because you said the RNLI won’t do it. The only scenario your statement makes sense is one in which they’ve been asked to do it. I think you are the one not reading, so I’ll leave you to it now.
just wait for what actually happens instead of frothing and scaremongering in advance, eh?

Oh god the ‘scaremongering’ line. And ‘frothing’ how ludicrous. But it’s kind of a Labour sign off these days, funny that.

I post they won’t do something and this comes back.

On how Italy did it they didn’t ‘ask’. You can read up on 24 February 2023, the Italian parliament converted Decree-Law 01/2023 into Law 15/2023 if you need facts

Oh not all of them are quiet. I am enjoying reading of the posts of a few now having to defend Labour all the time. They were accusing and holding the Tories accountable for 14 years. Some times there were just smears and things taking to extreme. You got a laugh 😹

Their concrete policy is to concrete over the green belt isn’t it !

No it isn’t. They’ve ditched Rwanda though - and did it on the first day. Concrete enough for you @Katypp?

Yes that was a crowd pleaser, wasn't it? What's it been replaced with though? What's been done to stop the boats that Yvette Cooper was so concerned about when she was in opposition?
If 'smashing the gangs' was so easy, I think the Tories would probably have done so.
We had the highest number of people crossing into the UK a couple of weeks ago - YC would have been all over that had she been in opposition. Now she's in Government, not so much

Smashing the gangs is a GE spin farce

It seems even Labour are waking up to that particular lie and looking for other options