I’m already fed up of Starmer as PM

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Semi- lighthearted, I know it’s early days, but I’m not convinced of Starmer as an effective leader
He reads from his notes even when giving a short speech; if he really believed in what he is saying, why the need?
He doesn’t seem to have the leadership X factor and doesn’t seem to have a grip on the ongoing riots
Bright new start for UK? Doesn’t feel like it

Agreed. Those people are very quiet at the moment!

<cough>

Where are the ones who called me a "Tory twat" for daring to criticises 1 of Labour's policies.......tumbleweed

Completely agree. How about the hypocrisy of winning a seat by standing for a party and manifesto and then deciding you don't like it ?

I doubt it tbh have a scroll ;

The loss of life was on removing the WFA completely. Presumably all of those fall into the most vulnerable group who will now still get it.

The flat thing is nonsense. Look at the timings of end of exams/election/moving to no 10. It would have been daft to go home again first.

MPs heating is probs unnecessary, but it’s not a Labour decision and wouldn’t save a whole heap if it was removed.

They have their own echo chamber thread which prattles on and on. At the moment they are ignoring all the Labour sleaze and are still focused on the Tories.

Yes I’m sure

They have their own echo chamber thread which prattles on and on.

Pot. Kettle.

I'm still very happy I voted Labour. :)

Curious about this. Is there any specific thing you are very happy about as I genuinely can't think of anything positive they have actually done yet?
Or are you another who is just happy they are not Tories and on that basis will give them a free pass to behave as they wish?
Lots of plans but not much action, lots of carping about the mess they have been left with but little in the way of tangible plans.
I think people are starting to expect some concrete policies pretty soon rather than an endless dialogue of how difficult it is for them.

One of the suggested threads under this one is hilarious, created a couple of days after the election.
I cherry pick, but some of thecresponses about what starmer will be like as PM include:

I find fascinating though is the amount of attempts people make to personally criticise a man who is about as close to unimpeachable in politics as I’ve seen in my lifetime.

I think he's not driven by greed or egotism, so that will make a change..

Labour have an excellent, intelligent, pragmatic person at the helm who has the best chance of making a good go of it.
Sounds like a sensible adult. Finally..

It would be interesting to hear from those posters now.

Whoops

Her constituency voted Labour...but they do not have a Labour government (only in name). Good for her..and. brilliant, brilliant letter.

She’s milking it. You don’t stand for election on your party’s ticket then resign a couple of weeks later. She knew the directionn of her party-knew the make up of the leader yet is only bleating about it now. And the gifts? They all get freebies-that haven’t done anything which isn’t allowed for in the rules. The rules should be changed-but how can they be castigated for working within existing rules. And the football tickets? Well ridiculous to expect a PM to sit in the stands-where would his security go?

In other words, Labour can do no wrong.

If you think Labour haven't done anything good yet, you're not a Labour voter. So far they've:

• Abandoned the Rwanda scheme
• Implemented the buffer zone legislation for abortion clinics
• Settled the resident doctors' strikes
• Planned to means test the WFA (yes, I know people don't like it and I agree the threshold should be higher, but I agree with it)
• Started constructive dialogue with the EU instead of continuing to pretend they aren't still our biggest trading partner
• Started work on improving workers' rights

You may not like any of these things, but others will.

Nonsense. PP is just pointing out fact. Duffield fully knew the platform on which she was standing and went with it. This act of hers was planned all along, a cowardly scheme to do maximum damage and motivated by revenge. She's a Lee Anderson all over again.

The gifts were all declared - again, she would or should have known about this.

She's a blatant opportunist. Have Labour done no wrong? Of course they have. But anyone thinking Rosie Duffield is doing this out of the goodness of her heart is dreaming.

• Abandoned the Rwanda scheme

And replaced it with what?

• Implemented the buffer zone legislation for abortion clinics

I will accept this one. Much overdue

• Settled the resident doctors' strikes

By giving in and opening the door to more demands from public sector unions

• Planned to means test the WFA (yes, I know people don't like it and I agree the threshold should be higher, but I agree with it)

Out of interest, why do you agree on the threshold? Would you agree if it was a Tory policy? I think most people agree it needed reform but the threshold is far too low

• Started constructive dialogue with the EU instead of continuing to pretend they aren't still our biggest trading partner

And achieved what?

• Started work on improving workers' rights

With little to balance the rights with the needs of businesses, which need to exist to pay wages to keep the economy running.

You are right, I am not a Labour voter so I will have bias, I accept that. But then, so do you?

RD clearly has an issue with events after the GE

Rosie Duffield, MP for Canterbury, said she was standing down because of Sir Keir’s “cruel and unnecessary” policies and said she was writing to the Prime Minister today informing him of her decision to resign.

Ms Duffield condemned Sir Keir in a letter for accepting gifts worth more than £100,000 for clothing, glasses and accommodation paid by Lord Alli, the millionaire Labour peer.

In the letter shared with the Sunday Times, she wrote: “The sleaze, nepotism and apparent avarice are off the scale.

“I am so ashamed of what you and your inner circle have done to tarnish and humiliate our once proud party.”

Re the Rwanda scheme and ‘smash the gangs’ even Amnesty International has said this will increase deaths in the Channel

Plus border security have now said it won’t work, another pre GE lie

Amnesty International vehemently opposed the Rwanda scheme.

https://www.amnesty.org.uk/press-releases/uk-passing-rwanda-bill-national-disgrace

As for Keir’s mistake over smash the gangs he’s looking to Italy for tips

That’ll be deaths and pull backs

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66478091.amp

https://news.un.org/en/story/2023/09/1141677

loads of graveyard at sea articles for him assess

https://news.un.org/en/story/2023/09/1141677

loads of graveyard at sea articles for him assess