Why are majority of the riots in northern towns?

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DH & I were watching the riots on the news this morning like most people absolutely horrified.

He's from one of the northern towns affected although we live in the south and started discussing why these riots now (and historically) tend to be more focused on northern towns but didn't really come up with any one thing. Any thoughts on this?

I am not ‘looking to be offended’ by your posts and they don’t offend me. I am simply stating my experience. The people who do this shit, however, offend me greatly.

There would be no point in me complaining to HR because they would not believe me or take it seriously. And I was the only ‘northerner’ there. I work for a large CS organisation by the way.

100%. Racism for the most part stems from ignorance and the ‘unknown’. Working class folk aren’t ignorant to different races and cultures because they’re more likely to have grown up within a mixed society.
Of course there’s the odd knuckle dragger thrown into that mix too 🤣

I agree!
(although at first I read 'southern alligators' which alarmed me🐊)

Ffs here but I remember itvas a teenager
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/september/17/newsid_2520000/2520085.stm
Why are people being SO DEFENSIVE on this thread asking why so many riots are in Northern Cities?
YES THERE ARE RACISTS IN LONDON TOO I NEVER SAID OTHERWISE
I said more resistance is met here! If there is a racist thug nobody makes excuses about their fucking grievances.
Stop doing that ( up North)

Unless you beat a black teenager to death and the Met police covers it all up? FOR DECADES.

Would never happen in London,

@WhimsicalGubbins76 - racists and bigots are everywhere - plenty up north, plenty elsewhere including here in Somerset and lots of right nasty buggers when we lived in Kent- the difference is though that some are just keyboard warriors and some are thugs who love a bit of argy bargy and looting but ideally in gangs so they look 'well hard' - quite pathetic when they are acting as foot soldiers for Tommy 2 names whilst he's busy spending their donations Ron his 5 star sunbed. Tgeycrisk They risk the Nick , he stays well out the way - same as Farage and his very carefully worded videos basically antagonising a load of people who simply can't see through him

Racism for the most part stems from ignorance and the ‘unknown’
I agree.
We all have a deep instinct/impulse to be cautious/wary of things which are unfamiliar and so it's important to reflect on things and avoid the temptation to just act on our impulses.

Needspace2023 · Today 23:57
Brockwell Park had a massive rally organized by the anti Nazi League. Because BNP won one seat.
Who tf are you to question events and evwn suggest I have no right to be fucking angry right now.

My parents took me to a funfair in Brockwell park in 1971 or 72? I remember it very clearly. Lots of families enjoying themselves until a bunch of NF yobs turned up and started beating the shit out of black people. It was terrifying. Those arseholes cared no more for little (white) children like me than the morons in Southport smashing up the town care about those three little darlings who were murdered in Southport. They were just there to cause mayhem and hurt as many black people/police officers as possible.

It had been a lovely, happy day. Lots and lots of black and white families just having fun with their kids until those bastards turned up and ruined it all.

60 now, I still remember it clearly. Even the song that the ride was playing, ironically “Love Train”.
Though it was awful, I’m glad that it happened in a weird way because it opened my eyes to the evil of racism and informed my thinking as I grew.

Totally get it.

Racism and thuggery is a Northern problem.

(Doffs cap to Southern superior).

Absolutely no racism in London.

Cool.

Farage and his very carefully worded videos basically antagonising a load of people who simply can't see through him
@Crikeyalmighty to be fair to the people who fall for it Nige is very good at his act. I detest him and yet I can still see the bloke down the pub thing. It's like the duck/rabbit optical illusion (imo)

I’m from a northern town originally although WY hasn’t been as represented in this riots thankfully.

I do not live there I live in Scotland and left when I was 18. This undercurrent of xenophobic and racist intolerance and hatred has been under the surface my entire life and definitely before. Some of these areas are very deprived and this has been capitalised on as a means to radicalise those who are disillusioned, have no community and are being honest naive and easily led. Someone is behind it all who is rich and powerful and his team of useful idiots doing the dirty work.

I am very embarrassed to share an accent with many of these rioters, people whinge that they’ve been ignored too long and their concerns not addressed as if that somehow justifies it.

Many of the areas rioting did have quite large numbers of immigration into deeply intolerant areas which coincided with the decimation of working class communities and values under Thatcher. This has intertwined in one blaming the other for any and all their problems.

I also think online incel culture has influenced. The way I see it 25% of the rioters are probably ones who have been on EDL/BNP type marches in the past, 25% of people at the start might not have expected it to be violent and 50% are somewhere in between.

Rioting and burning libraries, food banks and CABs to ‘reclaim the country’ I think will result in hopefully the country coming together against right wing thuggery and they’ll burn themselves out.

I think you might find a lot of people on the Palestinian protests in London were being pretty racist about Jews, with their chants, and banners. I couldn’t see an awful lot of resistance. Even the police weren’t calling people out on it until the media pointed out what was happening.

I'm speaking from the areas I know, in London, and I can imagine there being protests or riots, but they wouldn't be led by the far right. I think there are either too many 'far lefts', or just generally such a massive racial and social mix that the far right element would be diluted. I'm in a very liberal area though. I get the impression it just wouldn't happen round here as people who were really racist would move away.
Social unrest and riots can happen anywhere of course. So I should just hope for them not to, whoever it is that's fuelling it. Violence is never the answer.

Thank you. Finally a post with meaning. They seem to think I think London has no poverty, racism amd even bringing up the gang crimes to deflect.
I just want some resistance not excuses for racist thugs inflicting violence on the most marginalised people, refugees.
London also has many refugees housed in hotels from Kensington to Croydon. My primary school had refugees from all over the world. No idea why Northerners are given an excuse.
Sure the government left communities behind in certain areas but it was not the fault of Muslims of refugees.

It's been a really interesting discussion here, I do think that when certain sectors of society are agitated by whomever to violence, we really need to look at why, not just dismiss them because 'racism'. It's really important to listen to people who are easily stirred, because why are they on an edge that can tip over so easily? They clearly don't feel as though they have a part of society, they feel, for whatever reason, that the country they live in does not care for them, so why should they care for it.

And young disaffected men can be easily tipped over into violence by people who do not have their best interests at heart.

They may not be the people we'd have dinner with, but they should never be dismissed so casually. They're angry for a reason. It would probably be a good idea to listen.

People are fed up as the cost of living has massively increased and they are poorer. Those up north being poorer. No investment in towns etc nothing to do, poor incomes, on benefits. The media blaming immigrants when it was the government who caused this. If you have money, realistically you aren’t going to be as passionate about the government housing immigrants.

If you are poorer and ignorant and have no chance on buying a house, have not enough for the food bill, no spare income to enjoy life and the media is telling you it is the boats, you will end up very angry.

Have you actually seen how many rioters there are in the Northern cities?? A few dozen at some, a few hundred at others. And yet you’re generalising about ‘Northerners’ when the numbers are minuscule compared to the total population up here. We’re talking probably less than 5000. It’s just a minority of people, who are causing a lot of chaos, but represents an extremely low proportion of the Northern population. Also bearing in mind some of the rioters are imported from the South.

Yes who is pulling their strings? People in the elites who hate Muslims? and why?
Good question.

Eh?

So, after pages and pages of you saying what ill-educated tickos Northerners are, the post that makes sense is one where the BNP attacked a funfair in London??

What a patronising post. Northerners are no more poorer than anyone els3 in th3 UK. Wages might be lower, but that’s relative to the standard of living costs. £500k up here buys a mansion. Down south it would buy a shoebox size flat in a crappy part of London. Everything is cheaper. The picture painted on this thread that the North is a grim, desolate place to live is so far removed from the truth. Many of us have a very good standard of living, and access to green spaces that London could only dream of. I’ve been to a London. It’s okay for a short trip, but quality of life is so much better in the North.

Ahh @Needspace2023 I think I understand what you're saying.

And you are completely wrong you silly sausage.

In every agitation in THE NORTH. There has been a counter-agitation.

Have you not seen the anti-marches against that are also happening? I guess not!

Feeling of being ignored, consistent focusing of country’s resources on “The South” and the resulting inequality of opportunity.

It is a small number causing the problems. But I think there is a wider issue. Not many people will get involved in violence, arson and lotting. But there is a lot of unhappiness at how much worse life has been getting. And ironically I have personally really felt it during this nice weather. Although I love the sunny weather, all the things we used to go to as a family that were free or cheap have closed down. Everything is expensive. We have a local small park with a small playground. Its fine, but it is very overcrowded at the moment because all the usual things are no longer happening. We used to have free festivals and events over the summer. But they have all stopped or now cost a fair bit. The only free festival still happening is Pride.

And Pride is a good example of what is happening. I keep seeing on local facebook groups that the council are still paying for Pride bit nothing else. The council do not fund Pride, and some people keep pointing that out. But it feeds into the perception that the council only funds activities and services for some kind of groups. It is a similar perception amongst some for services for black and brown people because there are various small charities run to provide services and entertainment free or cheap for certain ethnicities, while there really is nothing for poor white people.

Alongside this rents have soared alongside mortgages. I can't believe how much our neighbours are paying in rent, it is ridiculous. And yet getting a house here is hard. There is a shortage of properties to rent, and this is not a posh area. Wages are ridiculously low and everything is increasing in price. So it creates a vacuum of dissatisfaction that is fuelled by disinformation on social media.

I didnt say that.
I know my house in London is massively overpriced. I know Northerners live very well. Have good loves and education.
Was wondering why excuses are being made for "left behind communities" to scapegoat Muslims and refugees.