Why are majority of the riots in northern towns?

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DH & I were watching the riots on the news this morning like most people absolutely horrified.

He's from one of the northern towns affected although we live in the south and started discussing why these riots now (and historically) tend to be more focused on northern towns but didn't really come up with any one thing. Any thoughts on this?

Illiterate? No, that's another exaggeration, dont you mean 'not as literate as they ideally could be'?

You are totally wrong about Council Tax. If it were recalculated now, pretty much everyone in London would pay much more and most places outside would pay less.

The North has a disproportionate Council Tax burden overall.

I thought I wrote that to demonstrate how they would think of it I.e very patronising, I don’t know anyone who wants to sound like they are from a privileged background anymore so when was this?

I think @Needspace2023, you are from a small town in the SW of England (nothing againt the SW btw), you grew up in a fairly small-minded and parochial way, went to Leeds for University, had a culture-shock and then moved to London for work.

Subsequently think you know absolutely everything about the UK when you actually still live in your parochial town mentally, you've just transposed it to a bigger town.

I don't think I've ever said this to anyone but @Needspace2023 you're coming across as completely deranged.

Because you are making out London is this wonderful welcoming place where everyone gets along and nothing of this sort takes place and everywhere else is awful.

So my retort is, what about knife crime, it is highest in London yes? Young people suffer disproportionately from it in London yes? And what about poverty in London?

And also the 2011 riots which were the worst ever seen also started in London.

But this doesn’t fit your narrative about the rest of the country outside London.

Born and bred Londoner. Grew up in Shepherds Bush a working class and multicultural part of London.
How about you??? Who are you? I actually realy dpnt care.
Why so keen to know why Im so fucking pissed off about the state of this country and people on mumsnet going oooh they have grievances. Those poor Northern white English men have all the rigjts to take their shit out on Muslims and refugees?
Ok

Nah, I think she's from a leafy part of South West London.

Plenty of people in London live in a bubble and don't even really understand the city as a whole let alone what's going on outside the M25.

Her comments about London in the 90s are quite telling.

You literally said your thoughts of these ‘RP accents’ types as you describe them, mimicking others, including yourself, was quaint. I disagree that it is ‘quaint’ and think it’s elitist, snobby and classist.

I’ve only encountered it in a really hostile way. And had my intellect questioned alongside it.

My most recent experience was work related and was in March this year.

Nobody knows who you are replying to when you don’t quote or mention posters names, but I see it’s clear whoever you are replying to will get no reasoned debate from you.

I still await to hear your response to poverty and knife crime in London and the communities it affects, as you are saying these things only exist in the midlands or northern towns, but I suspect I’ll be waiting forever!

Nah, I think she's from a leafy part of South West London.

Plenty of people in London live in a bubble and don't even really understand the city as a whole let alone what's going on outside the M25.

Plenty of leafy parts of SW London were very different 30/40 yrs ago…

The most racist place I have ever lived was in Stratford in the nineties. Horrific.

You don't need to care about me.

I grew up as an Upper Middle Class person in a Northern city. The Middle classes in my beautiful part of the city were highly multicultural. They mixed well, because, they could, they weren't fighting for resources.

The people in other parts of my city were, a bit, I understand why people from Northern cities who are stirred up by Southern agitators have been a bit pissed off, and people like you that pretend London is an enlightened wonderland actually fan flames. You're not interested in the reason why these things happen. Much easier to decry people as stupid, uneducated, Northern, illiterate than to actually try to understand grievance.

It's just not helpful to take your stance. Who do you think you are helping with your absolutism?

Yep, I'm aware of that.

But the posters throwaway, 'ah yes, there were some issues in East London' or something along those lines seemed a touch. I don't, out of touch.

My comments about London in the 90s? Why? There was BNP in East London who had won a seat and people from ALL OVER London showed up to marches against it. Was that 1993 or 4?
Sorry you weren't there.
Oh and my mum was a refugee so fuck off.

No I didn’t your just reading something you want to read to be offended in some way!

if someone has been openly aggressive about your accent in a work capacity surely that’s a HR referral? Of course it is not right who would think this is right.

Brockwell Park had a massive rally organized by the anti Nazi League. Because BNP won one seat.
Who tf are you to question events and evwn suggest I have no right to be fucking angry right now.

The BNP won a seat in London?

Say what now??

There were definitely race issues in London in the 90s.

@Needspace2023

That's where I'm from. It was 2006. Odd that you were at the March but got the date wrong by 12 years. Yet, again you sound like you don't know what the fuck you're on about,

My parents were immigrants and suffered horrific racist abuse.

I think we all know that.

(Other than @Needspace2023).

And all this pretence that middle and upper class people are less racist than working class people. It is not true. MN is full of middle class people being racist. There is a lot of racism on this forum. And working class white people are way more likely to have close black and brown friends than other classes,

I would definitely agree with that.

Yep, I'm aware of that.

But the posters throwaway, 'ah yes, there were some issues in East London' or something along those lines seemed a touch. I don't, out of touch.

Well don’t extrapolate that to SW Londoners! A lot of us didn’t just move here from the Home Counties 😆

And all this pretence that middle and upper class people are less racist than working class people. It is not true

Agree, it’s more hidden though I think.