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It's not over until the Cat Lady sings - Trump thread #133

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Spandauer · 03/08/2024 23:02

Bigly Thanks to BruceAndNosh for the thread title.

Hopefully people can open this link OK.
https://x.com/amy_siskind/status/1818015701023735951?s=46&t=sQEeBsNjiTta_B_D1Qh6IQ

Previous thread:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/politics/5058103-trump-trial-time-banish-all-memories-of-mueller

x.com

https://x.com/amy_siskind/status/1818015701023735951?s=46&t=sQEeBsNjiTta_B_D1Qh6IQ

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BruceAndNosh · 07/08/2024 10:59

SerendipityJane · 07/08/2024 09:45

That's some judo-level backatcha Trump logic there.

This guy will go far.

E2A: What a lovely name: "Hope" - vaguely Victorian.

Edited

His daughter was born via IVF after 7 years of fertility treatments which is why they chose that name.

Spandauer · 07/08/2024 11:38

The USA electoral map is very similar to the U.K. one when it's coloured in to show 'constituencies' rather than voting population.

Acres and acres coloured red (for GOP) and what looks like a tiny amount of blue (DEMS) but the reality is the opposite.

It's only Day 2 of the 90+ days to go until the election but the energy and determination from the new team is so welcome. Biden did his job well getting rid of Trump in 2020, but I'm so glad he agreed to step away from the 2024 race - it was definitely the right decision.

It's not over until the Cat Lady sings - Trump thread #133
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prettybird · 07/08/2024 11:58

Is it my wishful thinking imagination but does Trump already look diminished and somehow smaller?

SerendipityJane · 07/08/2024 12:01

prettybird · 07/08/2024 11:58

Is it my wishful thinking imagination but does Trump already look diminished and somehow smaller?

It's the eye seeing what the heart knows.

BustingBaoBun · 07/08/2024 12:35

prettybird · 07/08/2024 11:58

Is it my wishful thinking imagination but does Trump already look diminished and somehow smaller?

I so agree with this. I have followed all of this since he came on the scene 2016, and to me he is now looking increasingly irrelevant. Dated. Pathetic. Yesterday's news.

Ditto his grifting family. Ivanka/Kushner have distanced themselves after making £640million when in the White House, Melania is never seen at a Rally, and the sons... well, the less said about them the better !

I hear what the Democrats hope to do/want to do if they win. But nothing like that from the Republicans. Donald just attacks, besmirches, insults, lies. Vance same.
To me, they just look bitter and umm weird

prettybird · 07/08/2024 13:00

Dh's big concern is that Trump drops out because he hates to lose - or gets pushed out - and the Republicans actually get their act together and choose a respectable Republican. Shock

I think hope that that's unlikely as Trump's narcissism will win out. Plus he'll think that the gerrymandering that he's put in place will win out so that he can himself steal the election. Hmm

SerendipityJane · 07/08/2024 13:06

prettybird · 07/08/2024 13:00

Dh's big concern is that Trump drops out because he hates to lose - or gets pushed out - and the Republicans actually get their act together and choose a respectable Republican. Shock

I think hope that that's unlikely as Trump's narcissism will win out. Plus he'll think that the gerrymandering that he's put in place will win out so that he can himself steal the election. Hmm

I can't see Trump dropping out. Remember his gossamer thin hope of avoiding serious jail time relies on him becoming POTUS.

What I can see is a lot of senior republicans begging him to drop out as time goes by. Already there are a lot of GOPers pleading with him to dial it down with the race and sex thing with Kamala.

Also I can't see the GOP attracting too much serious money now.

There are some delicious parallels here with the UK and the way the Tories sank into a death spiral of big money abandoning them.

And whilst not woo myself, I am still unduly fascinated by the synchronicity of the UK election being 4th July and the US 5th November. That is weird.

BustingBaoBun · 07/08/2024 13:07

yES @prettybird
That thought had crossed my mind too, please don't let him drop out. I just don't think he will, because he cannot guarantee staying out of prison, becoming POTUS is his get out of jail free card.
And his enormous ego also.

SerendipityJane · 07/08/2024 13:12

BustingBaoBun · 07/08/2024 13:07

yES @prettybird
That thought had crossed my mind too, please don't let him drop out. I just don't think he will, because he cannot guarantee staying out of prison, becoming POTUS is his get out of jail free card.
And his enormous ego also.

Not sure being POTUS is a guarantee of staying out of jail. It sounds a little like a myth a bunch of freshman would invent when drunk.

Remember they were coming for Nixon.

AcrossthePond55 · 07/08/2024 13:59

lifesabitchandthenyoudie · 07/08/2024 08:34

@AcrossthePond55 is this part of it? 'Mind your own damn business'. Loved it! Looking like winners. Not going back! #feelingpositivenow

Absolutely, it was. DH and I were shouting it along with the crowd lol.

AcrossthePond55 · 07/08/2024 14:16

Jaichangecentfoisdenom · 07/08/2024 10:05

How can this be negated? Is there a way this can be undone before November? I still feel Democrats should be shouting loud about this even if there is nothing they can do to prevent it, so that every voter will be aware.

It will have to go through the courts. Once a case is filed it'll be up to the judge whether or not to issue a 'stay' of this regulation, which means it will not be allowed to go into effect until a decision is made. So it becomes rounds of file/stay/decision/appeal/stay/decision ad infinitum until it reaches SCOTUS.

If a stay is granted then the 'old rules' apply and the certification proceeds. What I don't know is what would happen if the election winner takes office and then SCOTUS decides that the election officials are allowed to refuse to certify 'on unspecified grounds' (ie if they don't like the winner). Would the sitting POTUS be removed or would they stay in office under a 'grandfather clause'? Who knows. Once again, we are in uncharted territory.

We've seen this tactic used time and again by Trump to delay his various trials. Hopefully this time we can use it against him. Because this is in no way going to be decided before the election, assuming we get on the 'appeals-go-round'.

I agree, this needs to be screamed from the high Heavens, but it's the Dem Cmtee officials that are the ones that need to be doing the shouting for anything to happen. The only thing I can think of is maybe they're thinking 'two can play at that game' hoping to install some Dem-leaning officials in various elections offices, too. It's not like us to ' when they go low when we go low, too', but if needs must.....

petermaddog · 07/08/2024 14:17

not walsh it is walz

AcrossthePond55 · 07/08/2024 14:27

@SerendipityJane

And whilst not woo myself, I am still unduly fascinated by the synchronicity of the UK election being 4th July and the US 5th November. That is weird.

Oh wow, I guess it's not unusual that the date of the election being Guy Fawkes Day (aka 'Bonfire Night') wouldn't 'jump out' at me, being American. But that is an, um, unusual coincidence.

As a rule British history taught as part of US history mentions the Magna Carta as it relates to the Declaration of Independence & Constitution and religious persecution as part of the 'Pilgrim Story', but doesn't much get into detail until George III and the various tax acts and then the 'Intolerable Acts' that truly ignited the Revolution.

SerendipityJane · 07/08/2024 14:51

If a stay is granted then the 'old rules' apply and the certification proceeds. What I don't know is what would happen if the election winner takes office and then SCOTUS decides that the election officials are allowed to refuse to certify 'on unspecified grounds' (ie if they don't like the winner). Would the sitting POTUS be removed or would they stay in office under a 'grandfather clause'? Who knows. Once again, we are in uncharted territory.

My (admittedly low energy) understanding is that SCOTUS can only declare the workings of state laws constitutional or not. They don't have the power to dictate what the laws should be or how they should be enforced. Which is why some states can execute for murder, while others issue freedom medals.

BruceAndNosh · 07/08/2024 15:00

prettybird · 07/08/2024 11:58

Is it my wishful thinking imagination but does Trump already look diminished and somehow smaller?

I know it's cruel to point it out, but he's having increasing difficulty maintaining the bouffant hair. It looked quite transparent during that weird stream he did with that yoof tiktoker
I suspect that stress is making it fall out.
Or possibly he's tearing it out in rage at 2am

SerendipityJane · 07/08/2024 15:00

BruceAndNosh · 07/08/2024 15:00

I know it's cruel to point it out, but he's having increasing difficulty maintaining the bouffant hair. It looked quite transparent during that weird stream he did with that yoof tiktoker
I suspect that stress is making it fall out.
Or possibly he's tearing it out in rage at 2am

Maybe he's being poisoned by the Cubans ?

SerendipityJane · 07/08/2024 15:23

I know it's cruel to point it out

Remember Trump mocking a disabled reporter ?

It's not cruel. It's payback.

Spandauer · 07/08/2024 16:11

(Report from Amanda Marcotte)
I was nuts enough to go both to the JD Vance event in South Philly and then to the Kamala Harris/Tim Walz rally later in the day.

It was like leaving a bitter divorced man meet-up and going straight to a Taylor Swift concert.

Enjoy the contrast!
https://www.salon.com/2024/08/07/bringing-back-the-joy-kamala-harris-rally-blows-away-jd-vances-weird-appearance-across-town/

"Joy" was the word of the night. People in the stands practically vibrated with it.
(Guess which event this describes)

"Bringing back the joy": Kamala Harris's Philly rally blew away JD Vance's sad, weird appearance

In Philadelphia, thousands cheered for Tim Walz, while Trump's running mate spoke to a small, aggrieved group

https://www.salon.com/2024/08/07/bringing-back-the-joy-kamala-harris-rally-blows-away-jd-vances-weird-appearance-across-town

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Zonder · 07/08/2024 16:46

Amazing. Not long ago it looked like a dead cert win for Trump. Not so much now.

AcrossthePond55 · 07/08/2024 16:53

SerendipityJane · 07/08/2024 14:51

If a stay is granted then the 'old rules' apply and the certification proceeds. What I don't know is what would happen if the election winner takes office and then SCOTUS decides that the election officials are allowed to refuse to certify 'on unspecified grounds' (ie if they don't like the winner). Would the sitting POTUS be removed or would they stay in office under a 'grandfather clause'? Who knows. Once again, we are in uncharted territory.

My (admittedly low energy) understanding is that SCOTUS can only declare the workings of state laws constitutional or not. They don't have the power to dictate what the laws should be or how they should be enforced. Which is why some states can execute for murder, while others issue freedom medals.

If they rule them unconstitutional, those laws are stricken from the books. So in a way they do dictate what a law should be, or I guess more accurately what it can't be.

They can also strike parts of laws regarding enforcement or application. So they can't uphold a law that, say, removes voting rights from a certain 'segment of the population' as that would be unconstitutional, but they can take a law that curtails voting rights in various ways and remove parts they feel are unconstitutional whilst retaining other parts. So for example we've seen where an absolute ban on mail in ballots has been ruled illegal as infringing on the right to vote but reducing polling stations to practically nil in 'certain areas' has been allowed to stand as 'people can vote, they just have to get to the polling place' without factoring in the impossibility of that in rural areas with no public transportation.

SerendipityJane · 07/08/2024 16:58

AcrossthePond55 · 07/08/2024 16:53

If they rule them unconstitutional, those laws are stricken from the books. So in a way they do dictate what a law should be, or I guess more accurately what it can't be.

They can also strike parts of laws regarding enforcement or application. So they can't uphold a law that, say, removes voting rights from a certain 'segment of the population' as that would be unconstitutional, but they can take a law that curtails voting rights in various ways and remove parts they feel are unconstitutional whilst retaining other parts. So for example we've seen where an absolute ban on mail in ballots has been ruled illegal as infringing on the right to vote but reducing polling stations to practically nil in 'certain areas' has been allowed to stand as 'people can vote, they just have to get to the polling place' without factoring in the impossibility of that in rural areas with no public transportation.

Most of my knowledge of SCOTUS comes from P.J.O'Rourkes forensic dissection of the flag burning case from the late 80s ...

(Amusingly the Supremes debated whether burning a flag could be considered ambiguous ....)

https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/491/397/

Texas v. Johnson, 491 U.S. 397 (1989)

Texas v. Johnson: The First Amendment protections on symbolic speech prevent states from banning desecrations of the American flag.

https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/491/397

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Spandauer · 07/08/2024 17:05

More on what happens if Election Officials refuse to certify the results.
www.democracydocket.com/analysis/what-happens-when-election-officials-refuse-to-certify-results/

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SerendipityJane · 07/08/2024 17:11

Of course, the US was born of a revolution, whatever and however you want to call it. We just don't do rebellion in England. Well not successfully.

So the Founding Fathers were just a bunch of rebels who got lucky. Maybe lightning does strike twice ?

SerendipityJane · 07/08/2024 17:21

A little birdy tells me "TrumpIsACoward" is trending on Truth:Social

make of that what you will

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