It's not over until the Cat Lady sings - Trump thread #133

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Bigly Thanks to BruceAndNosh for the thread title.

Hopefully people can open this link OK.
https://x.com/amy_siskind/status/1818015701023735951?s=46&t=sQEeBsNjiTta_B_D1Qh6IQ

Previous thread:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/politics/5058103-trump-trial-time-banish-all-memories-of-mueller

I’m really wanting to see a debate.
All I ever hear from Trump is personal attacks & no actual policies. I’m hoping the Harris and Walz don’t get too carried away with name calling.

Whilst recognising she’s not everyone’s cup of tea, she’s a force to be reckoned with so pleased to see Taylor Swift lowkey endorsing Harris. https://www.instagram.com/p/C-VyDVMhrNH/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

I'm not sure about right now, but it certainly was over the weekend.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-fans-furious-over-coward-134633849.html

tee hee.

Because Trump HAS no policies. At least, none that he dare speak aloud.

I haven't heard much name calling from the Harris/Walz camp. Other than 'weird' and 'couch'. They'd have a long, loooong way to go before they'd even come within miles of the name calling that Trump has been doing.

Judging by Vivek saying he is delighted with the choice of Walz, and Fox saying he's a disaster... It seems like Harris has made the right pick

prettybird
Dh's big concern is that Trump drops out because he hates to lose - or gets pushed out - and the Republicans actually get their act together and choose a respectable Republican.

I strongly suspect that if they do that, his cult will refuse to vote for the person who "betrayed him" by standing in his stead, and the Republic party loses a third of its votes right there.

@AskingQuestionsAllTheTime - that's a really good point. I'll reassure him

Also, @prettybird, please ask your husband, who would the Republicans find at this short notice, when they had fair warning that Trump was intending to stand again and couldn't manage to drum up a suitable candidate to oppose him in 4 years? Vance is hardly viable.
But mostly, Trump is too terrified of being jailed to give up now.

@SerendipityJane
And whilst not woo myself, I am still unduly fascinated by the synchronicity of the UK election being 4th July and the US 5th November. That is weird.

This was not lost on me either!!

Listening to TRIP US last week, Scaramucci was wondering aloud about Trump dropping out. Possibly going to Biden and coming to some deal about dropping out if he was pardoned. Sounds most unlikely to me. I think he was just musing.

I think he was just musing, but his point was that Trump only cares about Trump. He’s not interested in the Office of President of actually governing, he’s interested in what makes him look good, and money - as well as staying out of jail!

He said if someone offered him a big pile of money and a guarantee that he would not go to jail, he would walk away tomorrow.

He actually said that?
Him dropping out would be win win! Esp if there’s no one viable to take over and a third of the vote disappears.
So if Harris can pull this off (🤞🏼🙏🏼) he goes to jail? Really? Truly? He absolutely should but he’s such a slippery snake I don’t believe it.

Well, yes and/or no. It's opined that Trump won't see jail time in the NY case (aka the 'hush money' case, sentencing scheduled for 18 Sept) even though he was convicted of 34 felonies. This is because it's 'usual' in NY State for 1st time offenders not to receive custodial sentences. They can't treat Trump any more severely or more lax than any other convicted felon. So if Joe down the block was convicted of a similar fraud and he only got a fine and a suspended sentence, they're going to have to deal with Trump in a similar fashion. If there are convictions in the cases not yet at trial, it's still unknown if Trump will ever see the inside of a jail.

As far as the other cases, they're all still up in the air so who knows. Some may never even come to trial if SCOTUS and a certain Trump appointee judge have their way. This link was first posted by another poster so credit to them, but I don't remember who it was. It's a good overview of the court cases and their status.

What's definite is that NONE of these cases will make it to trial before the election. If Harris wins, the cases will proceed at their own pace. If Trump wins he will immediately order than all federal charges be dropped and any ongoing investigation into his activities be stopped as soon as he's inaugurated. He has no power to do anything about any state case, unless they come before SCOTUS on an appeal on a Constitutional issue and he's already stacked the court in his favour.

www.politico.com/interactives/2023/trump-criminal-investigations-cases-tracker-list/

Harris is getting some stick about not speaking to journalists since she became presumptive candidate. She needs to correct that to stop the carping

@AcrossthePond55 thank you for the link - when it’s all laid out like that it just stinks of corruption. The whole presidential immunity is outrageous.

If Trump were to drop out, the narrative would be it's because the system is rigged against him. That's just leading a trial of gunpowder for his base to follow.

real journalists ?

I notice over hear GBNews are upset because Keir Starmer won't talk to their "respected News correspondent". Presumably forgetting they aren't a news channel.

Reading various accounts/reports on how Trump and his campaign organisers are dealing with the re-energised Democratic campaign. It seems Trump's campaign team are a lot more cohesive and organised than 2020 and there isn't as much infighting and back (or front) stabbing going on. They've also reached out to various supportive evangelical and business type groups to organise and send their own foot soldiers out to campaign and to encourage mail in votes for e.g. - where they can vote early and have the vote locked down. But Trump himself is, as expected, 'losing it' - caught up in his usual grievances and focused on his tv coverage and crowd sizes and being 'let down' (lol) by Biden.

The positive Harris/Walz bump should, with any luck, continue through to the Dem convention later this month but after that they've got 2 months to bring it home.

Hopefully the markets/jobs/COL will improve/won't decline much and the orange dinosaur will continue to self-implode. Other than arranging to have himself kidnapped or something what else has he got to make himself relevant?

Exactly. Not to mention…Trump didn’t choose a Jewish VP, so does that make him an anti-Semite?

This Democratic ticket is FIRE and I am 100% here for it. The crowds are rowdy, Kamala and Tim make jibes/jokes at Trump and JD’s expense with a laugh and a smile…it’s magic. And they’ve got so many bases covered with these two:
Kamala:

• big city/California
• woman
• African American/Indian
• District Attorney/Senate/VP experience

Tim:

• white midwesterner from a town with a population of 400
• agricultural support track record
• state school teacher/American high school football coach
• military experience
• gun owner
• IVF parent
• Congress/Governor experience

Are there any bases these two don’t cover between them? He’s the yin to her yang and it was seriously magic to watch them on stage together.

The green camouflage HARRIS WALZ baseball caps are the icing on the cake. Whoever came up with that is a fucking genius.

Trump’s unhinged tweet (or Truth or whatever) says it all. He’s in panic mode.

https://www.facebook.com/story.php?id=100044594282138&story_fbid=1031386395024494

I watched the Channel 4 programme "Trump vs Harris: The Battle for America" last night (Matt Frei exploring Harris' chances of becoming president)

There were some interesting opinions, from both Democrats, pro-Trump Republicans, anti-Trump Republicans (it says something that Bolton now sounds reasonable ), John Sopel....

There was a deluded redhead from Republicans Overseas whose opinions were almost word for word what some of anti-Kamala posters on the Kamala Harris threads keep promulgating (even after they've been comprehensively debunked)

It's almost as if there's a script

Ah yes! I tuned in late to it so was going to go back and watch on catch up tonight. But from what I did see, that was my thought exactly - it's a script they're following. Unfortunately (as in the past) if they say it loud and long enough then it permeates through into GOP "fact" folklore and gets printed on the T-shirts...

The big stick they've found to hit Walz with seems to be his military background and his reasons/timing for leaving the National Guard, plus some clutching at straws semantics over his final rank.

But you don't spend over 20 years in the military because it's a laugh - he served and he served well by all accounts.

It seems Trump's campaign team are a lot more cohesive and organised than 2020

To whom ? Whoever organised the J D Vance "rally" last night clearly needs some performance improvement.

https://www.alternet.org/vance-low-energy/

As an aside, is it just me that finds initials rather than forenames a little shit ? Maybe growing up with J.R. Ewing had an effect.

And if I were to use my initials instead of a forename, it would probably not be with a surname that rhymes with "pants". As in "on fire".

"Bigger crowds around kids selling Girl Scout cookies". Bwah ha ha ha ha!

But again, we can take absolutely nothing for granted. Yes, we may be seeing big crowds at Harris/Walz rallies and fewer 'Trump trucks' with flags a-flying and fewer MAGA yard signs, but that may only mean that some of them have 'gone underground'. Too ashamed to say out loud that they'll be voting for the dipshit duo, but still intending to do so in the privacy of the voting booth.

Dem overconfidence along with Dem voter apathy lost us the election in 2016. We cannot allow that to happen again. There is far more at stake in 2024. Trump will not be wearing the 'curb bit' worn by a POTUS wanting to score a second term. He'll be 'unbridled' because he knows he has no future election to worry about.