Well this is just weird…WTH happened to this guy in 6 years

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BBC charity removes promo video featuring Southport murder accused

Axel Rudakubana appeared, aged 11, as Doctor Who character in 2018 advert for BBC Children in Need

Nope. Acute schizophrenic state IS called schizophrenic psychosis, but there is different mental health condition of psychosis which is not schizophrenia.

people can have psychosis and not schizophrenia. Schizophrenia is rarely one episode sadly

Thanks dodo, yes another poster has explained the same and stated the other symptoms which can make someone schizophrenic as opposed just psychotic.

It’s sad it’s a much wider illness than the psychosis itself. I wasn’t aware you could actually have schizophrenia without ever having a psychosis.

I don’t know whether I have schizophrenia or not (my doctor said it’s what she would guess). I assume it’s now unlikely as I haven’t had any other episodes for nearing a decade and am back to normal.

The point of me saying it’s ’basically just recurring psychosis’, is because in me that’s what it would have been, and that’s the diagnosis I would be given if I ever go back and sit in her seat again.

I explained to other poster that I did have some of those other symptoms. But I actually believe most of that was from the antipsychotics themselves (ie. I had weird body movements like stiff arms on ariporzale, legs or arms would kick out/ twitch out on olanzapine, lethargy on both, loss of personality worse on aripripozle - slightly better on olanzapine but your hardly yourself anyway when in a psychotic episode.

The reason I say it’s academic really is because these are just labels that doctors give when talking to someone who’s not really living on planet earth, combined with potential medication interactions. It’s highly subjective and basically someone’s guess. And I’m not sure it actually matters that much. Either to the individual or society.

It also really doesn’t make a difference to what I am trying to say. Which is that I think there needs to be a national awareness programme about identifying first episode psychosis, why you need help fast and how to get help.

Jonty Bravery was held at Broadmoor hospital.
Valdo Calocane was transferred to a secure hospital setting while on remand.
Axel Rudakabana is in youth custody. That decision was made by the court.
There may be other reasons for that.

I'll be honest, I'd rather it was a psychotic episode than radicalisation - only because teachers have spent so much time the last few years trying to counteract and undermine the likes of Andrew Tate. It will scare me shitless if it turns out this young man has been isolated and influenced by wankers on the net or knew the one of the teachers already. Would someone having an episode have been able to ask witnesses to the taxi fare evasion what they were going to do about it?

I don't know but I do know I shouldn't be speculating.
Either way, it won't come to trial until January. He'll next be in court October.

@BehindTheSequinsandStilettos

Would someone having an episode have been able to ask witnesses to the taxi fare evasion what they were going to do about it?

They probably could yes.

I agree it is terrifying. I saw some posts where the incels were celebrating on another site. It is sick.

My guess is even if it was an episode (which I don’t know if it was), it’s probably likely he was radicalised either by incels, Andrew Tate type rhetoric, some weird conspiracy about Taylor swift, or some other insane idea. Real life radicalism can combine and layer with psychosis, and it did seem targeted to me.

But that is complete guessing from me.

Agree with all you said, problem is that because this tragic event is causing all sorts of social upheaval, right wing demos etc.. I doubt anything will be filtered to the press because things are very heated in the streets at this moment and any info on this kids "objetive" for doing what he did could trigger an escalation of what's going on. We already have like 30 policemen in hospital with injuries because of the riots (some serious) and we don't need any more. watch the press keeping mum about this kids intentions. The fact he is not in psych care and nothing is being said as to "why" has me thinking it may not be MH issues but of course I can be wrong.

None of this is an attenpt to justify his terrible actions, but simply a plea for an explanation:

Although some form of mental disorder is very clearly present here, I would venture that it rarely occurs in a vacuum. Social and environmental factors play a role in conjunction with genetic predisposition.
It is truly striking that this boy went from being a promising talent at 11 to what he ultimately became. Perhaps the 'promise' was not fulfilled as he may have hoped, leading to frustration, which in turn affected his mental state. Adolescence is a complex time where expectations do not necessarily materialise and childhood dreams can be dashed.

Inclusive advertising is prevalent nowadays, but it is unclear whether individuals featured in this way are meaningfully able to access further opportunities as a result or whether these are largely one-off stints.

I have observed a couple of cases of how children of domestic servants of wealthier households in a developing country can be particularly vulnerable to mental illness as they are exposed to 'the life they might lead in an alternative reality' while nominally being treated as equals or receiving charity from their parent's employer (paying for food, school fees, etc.), but which in practice creates an even wider gulf vis-à-vis their actual living conditions (in shanties or rural poverty) and realistic life prospects, in the absence of the necessary social capital or all-round support required for genuine success along the 'promised' lines. The challenge can be too daunting for some and they often break, succumbing to psychosis, etc.

Against this family's painful background of fleeing genocide in Rwanda, they may well have been pinning their hopes on young Axel. But the pressure may have been too great to bear, taking into account his perceived life prospects as he entered adulthood. Appearing in the BBC advert may well have been his 'high point' with things gradually going downhill from there (it happened to Macaulay Culkin after Home Alone, not to mention many other child actors), with the 'promise' ebbing away and resentment brewing precisely against what he once held dear – to the point of seeking to annihilate it.

In anthropological terms, the broken promise of equality is a historical driver of violence as David Graeber notes in his book on 'Debt'.

Having recurring psychotic episodes does not automatically equal schizophrenia. At least 2 symptoms from the list must be present for an extended period.
Just having psychotic episodes could also be due to bipolar disorder, drug induced psychosis, or if it doesn't meet any criteria it will just be diagnosed as psychotic episodes each time, which can still be medicated the same.
Medical professionals won't intentionally incorrectly diagnose a condition like schizophrenia or bipolar just to look for an explanation of psychotic episodes, the criteria has to be met.

Obviously one episode of psychosis shouldn't be treated as schizophrenia or bipolar, plenty of people have stress induced psychosis at some point with no other condition.
When people have schizophrenia it's a lifelong condition and the person generally isn't capable of realising they are unwell. So in those cases any coming off medication should be closely monitored and continue to be monitored whilst off medication. Unless it's an incorrect diagnosis then they won't be OK long term being off medication.

The reality is that a caring and well intentioned person with schizophrenia can think that they would be benefitting their family by killing them because of powers they have to communicate with God. Just one example, but if you haven't had experience with someone who has been unmedicated and left to deteriorate for a long time then I can understand why its hard to realise the impact it has on someone's mind.

The difference in this discussion is the disorder. A psychotic episode by nature is less likely to have been noticed by others due to the time frame, isn't likely to involve as complex delusions or as likely to involve as many hallucinations, complex voices, delusions of grandeur etc, and the person is likely to have more elements of a normal life and daily routine still in place. They won't have spent years building up incorrect memories and fears like someone with schizophrenia has.

Such a good point abiut talking to people with these illness. It's not "madness" to them. Or sp out there a human can't comprehend thinking it. It's not someone sometimes wanting to stop the bad thoughts. Left to spiral they will be telling you,believing there beliefs as if they are telling you the sky is blue and the grass is green. It's their reality at this point. Be it scary to them or us.

The difference in this discussion is the disorder. A psychotic episode by nature is less likely to have been noticed by others due to the time frame, isn't likely to involve as complex delusions or as likely to involve as many hallucinations, complex voices, delusions of grandeur etc, and the person is likely to have more elements of a normal life and daily routine still in place. They won't have spent years building up incorrect memories and fears like someone with schizophrenia has.

Thanks @SummerSnowstorm

I do agree it’s unlikely he would have gotten to this point without others noticing. Part of me is wondering whether the isolation of lockdown might have kick started either the illness or radicalisation. Something has happened.

For me personally. I was out of work during my breakdown. I have no idea why she thought I had schizophrenia. Hopefully she was just wrong. 😬

I think very possible psychosis, but at this point not enough info. If this is the case he and those killed have been failed by NHS.

Worth remembering ethnic minority have a x 5 potential chance of schizophrenia or similar conditions.

He is either going to end up in jail or a secure mental health unit (like Broadmore or Rampton)

I agree this attack was specific. The Taylor Swift link has not been mentioned once. People do your research.

This child had a casting agent and has been exposed to abuse in the adult world. The BBC's child abuse ring and within the industry and among the elite is well documented.

I believe there will be a record of his mental health and warnings with regards to his behaviour on file prior to this attack.

The services would have been aware and now they have to cover up their and the governments fcks ups.
Information was then somehow released pushing colour and immigration status, knowing this would spark riots. Everyone's attention would then be diverted away from the real issue here. The deaths of these children is not because of someones race or where they were born, it is because the system let them down by not doing their jobs properly in regards to abuse and mental health. It is one big cover up

This is not correct. We’ve had men from the Military attacked. We’ve also had couple attacked by an individual. In the case of Southport there were grown adults as well as children and lots of them. Mental illness isn’t an excuse. It’s a reason. If someone is schizophrenic and not getting the treatment they need (due to lack of services/support) then they will act out. If schizophrenic and I believe this will be the case, then he will suffer delusions, hallucinations and voices. The voices could be threatening him. He may be seeing things that aren’t there. For all we know he may have seen the people as monsters or violent beings. As dad as it is for the families caught up in this, you can’t treat someone as evil if they do in fact have a serious mental illness. And when the person with the illness has a ‘normal’ish’ day where their mind is clearer and they learn what they’ve done, he will be extremely distressed to hear this. I had an elderly family member misdiagnosed as schizophrenic when in fact he had mixed dementia, lived alone, heard voices, got no adequate help which all lead to paranoia. When someone hears and sees things that aren’t there, you can’t convince them and they live in fear and terror.

Important to identify the form of psychosis, often Schizophrenics are scared of the outside world and would act in self defense as the disorder tends to victimise them. Mental Health conditions tend to operate as a cluster. There is also likely a level of nurture and pre-meditation. Is there anyother factors such as drugs or child abuse? He could of also self radicalised. He's likely a sociopath and the act fulfills a fantasy. There is still issues around immigration, how his parents adjusted to the UK, what support and integration occurred. Social Services involvement is he a byproduct of a failed system or a cultural disorder.

I do not think this is just a mental health case and has absolutely nothing to do with him having autism (autistic people do not just commit acts like this). He picked a very specific event which I am sure there is a very good reason for that. Due to the target I’m guessing his internet history will be very telling. Likely he’s got some extreme views, potentially an extreme religious group have radicalised him and/or he’s a misogynist. I think with Taylor Swift concerts being targeted by Islamists it’s very possible he’s been radicalised by the same group. Time will tell but if it was just a mental health we would have heard by now I’m sure. They are usually very quick to announce that. It looks like there’s more to his motives than that.

@Dadscare56 Yeah he was smiling in court. Didn’t sound distressed to me, he knows exactly what he was doing and why.

This makes me think he is mentally ill tbh.

For two reasons.

You don't do something like this if your sane as a happy jolly. It's pure hate. So you probably wouldn't be smiling even if you were happy you did it. Just because you have so much hate iyswim.

Second reason is when I was on antipsychotics is was very distressed. But would wake up smiling widely in my sleep. I found that very freaky. I wasn't happy.

I reckon they have shoved him on a loaf of antipsychotics and they haven't told us because there's an epidemic of psychotics running about. Nottingham they didn't say for ages. Southport bet is the same. Same for Leicester Square. It's about one every couple of weeks!!! I do believe this will continue. This is fallout of no services during covid.

He was a terrorist and the government knew he was a terrorist.

Nah, we were conned at the time by the government, being told he was Welsh and nothing to do with him being an Islamic nutter. We, the british public, were hoodwinked (or lied to). They'd found very quickly he had, at his home, an Al Quaeda terrorist Manuel and had been making ricin.

Mental illness my backside. He was/is an Islamic terrorist and a coward, all rolled into one.

He was and is a radicalised islamic terrorist. He chose to do what he did. We were told by the government that wasn't the case if you recall. "He's welsh" they said in response to accusations that he was an Islamic terrorist.
The government knew within hours that he was an islamic terrorist by what the police found at his home ... all qaeda terrorist manuals and ricin which he'd manufactured.

Radicalised islamic terrorist - those are the words to describe.