Well this is just weird…WTH happened to this guy in 6 years

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Axel Rudakubana appeared, aged 11, as Doctor Who character in 2018 advert for BBC Children in Need

What happens to any men who commit atrocious acts of violence?

They were all cute 11 year olds once.

What’s so different about this one?

Totally possible yes. If someone has a mental illness which involves being told by another person who they believe to be real to do something in exchange for something else, the 'other person' (aka something in their brain) will often give them direct instruction. It's absolutely terrifying and hard to believe but absolutely does happen.

If only it were that easy.

My child has autism and severe anxiety. Only last night we were at A&E because she was determined to harm herself, the 5th time this year. Each time, she gets seen by CAMHS duty (not a psychiatrist) who decide because she has a safety plan that involves a good home and a stable parent, she doesn't need any further intervention. Even when she made a comment about harming someone else, it was decided it wasn't an "active plan" and she was sent home.

Mental health services in England are broken. There are not enough in-patient beds, only those who are severe enough will be admitted. And by severe I mean he'd have needed to have voiced to a HCP that he had a specific plan to harm children. My child wants help, she will willingly go to A&E. How do you propose getting a 17 year old male to a hospital if he doesn't want to go? And at 17, I bet he fell between children's and adult services (some services are 16, some are 18) just to make things even harder for his family.

We have no idea of the background of this young man, and I am not for one second excusing the atrocities he is responsible for, but I would wager his family has either struggled to get support for the last few years and been fobbed off or have not known where to turn.

Two things:
It's taken 2 years of begging and pleading to get my adult son a psychiatric appointment and diagnosis.
Secondly, people with serious and enduring mental health issues often stop taking their meds because they feel well. Of course then they start to feel unwell and do all sorts of horrific things. My nephew thought he was cured of schizophrenia and stopped taking his meds. Of course he then started to exhibit the usual symptoms. And was back in hospital taking the meds.

He's black with a funny name. Unlike say Kyle Clifford or Lucy Letby.

Well I’m glad the posters on this thread aren’t the jury…

Well I’m glad the posters on this thread aren’t the jury…

He'd be walking free if they were.

Yes it does happen, my best friend from childhood also suffered from schizophrenia, she believed there was a "massive government conspiracy" against her involving the CIA, FBI, the police etc... and they were going after her because they believed she was a spy. She couldn't take the "pressure" any more and took her own life. Needless to say she was not a spy and there was no conspiracy against her whatsoever. Sadly she had refused medication to treat her illness, had she not refused she would probably be alive.

Statistically someone suffering from a serious mental illness such as schizophrenia is much much more likely to harm or kill themself than another person.

This is a fantastic post

I think that's unfair.

There's photos of him as a child. There wasn't for Kyle Clifford or Lucy Lethby.

I think its perfectly normal, if you are being shown photos of a child appearing quite happy and innocent then going on to have committed a crime such as this, to ask this question.

Actually that’s not true statistically people with mental health issues including schizophrenia are far more likely to harm/kill themselves than others

You sound as if you have a mental health disorder and I'd recommend you seek medical advice.

Someone already jumping on with the autism comment, as if it would have ANY relevance. Daily bingo card marked off 🤦‍♀️

Me too.
I felt the same as I did about the Jonty Bravery case.
He was sectioned at 16, told his carers he wanted to throw someone off a tall building at 17 then did just that. In Belmarsh, he's allegedly raped an inmate.
His carers were told not to say no to things for fear of triggering a meltdown, he was considered manipulative (he wanted his ipad back and wanted to contact his parents. Also dubious attitude towards women). Allegedly he thought being in jail would be better than being in care and allegedly wanted to be on the tv.
He was considered to have another mental health condition and possibly psychopathy

We know nothing about this ongoing case apart from reports of an autistic condition, not being seen much out, if at all, and not communicating with his parents of late.
If known to police and social services and excluded for knife-carrying, there are questions to be raised as there were with JB, as to how to prevent.

My own child, who hates leaving the house unless necessary, who hates having his photo taken, who has been aggressive when dysregulated, who plays online...was at pains to list me all the autistic people who are successful from Anne Hegerty to Elon Musk. The reports of this recent perpetrator made him feel bad (he is sensitive and can be very empathetic, very bright and reads me the news each day). We concluded there must be a comorbidity or undiagnosed health condition in addition. I was at pains to point out autism was not the root cause.

However - CAMHS won't help when autism is suspected/diagnosed - and in addition, there is very little support for carers out there. If a child slips through the cracks and ends up excluded and isolated with the internet for company then radicalisation is a possibility. It's my biggest fear - what my children are exposed to online - which is why I'm talking to them both 24/7 about what they read and who they talk to and what they play.

@Uricon2
I think you’re right. It’s a hard thing for someone to understand unless they’ve seen it. And it’s not so simple as “help is there if they want it.”
Someone in my own family had paranoid schizophrenia. There were no signs of it until his late teens. Then his entire personality changed. He thought he was getting messages through the phone and tv. He stopped eating because he thought someone was trying to poison him. He was very violent, attacked his own parents and siblings. They brought him to the hospital, called the police countless times. They were told to kick him out of the house but they didn’t want him to be on the streets. He was sectioned a number of times. In hospital they incapacitated him with medication but as soon as he got released, he refused the meds (which he thought were poison). They put him on injections instead of pills but he ran away, lived on the streets. Eventually he’d be picked up by the police and put back in hospital and the whole thing would start again. He tried to kill himself so often it was only a matter of time. He died by suicide at 24. That was a long time ago, people weren’t very aware of mental illness at the time but I don’t know if it’s that much different now. It’s definitely a very hard thing for people to get their heads around.

What happened? Who knows - we on here certainly don't. We are, at best, armchair experts.

In 6 years a lot of water passes under the bridge.

A lad I taught from 11-16. Normal, cheery, social, slightly above average achiever.

I bumped into him a few years after he'd left. 'How are you, nice to see you'

'I'm ok now, the voices in my head have stopped now'

Fortunately it doesn't happen to many at all - but it can strike unexpectedly, out of the blue.

I do't think we help matters by speculation that others take bits off - thinking its true, then add 2+2 and get 5.

Men are far more likely to exhibit their mental illness through violence to others, women to self harm.

@Truthseeker456 If you are real and not trolling, please do go speak to someone, that's not a healthy thought process at all.

You sound like a great mum x

Why are people determined for him to have psychosis? He's being charged with murder. If he was that ill he'd be admitted to a secure hospital and he hasn't.

He has been reported as having ASD and refusing to leave the house or speak to his parents.

@Truthseeker456 you might think about going to see the gp and sharing some of your ideas...

As someone who suffers from mental illness I find your comment extremely offensive. Just because someone happens to suffer from mental illness doesn’t make them a potential killer FFS 🙄

Odd he got to play Dr Who in an advert - how many would be actors get an opportunity like that.