Well this is just weird…WTH happened to this guy in 6 years

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So you're saying crisis help is available? Not sure I agree but regardless what happens is family asks for help, rejected. Family asks for help, rejected. Ask again, rejected. Begs for help, rejected. Pleads for help, rejected. Warns that something terrible is going to happen, rejected. Told nothing can be done until there's a crisis.

There's a crisis. How could the family not realise?

Im going to add this is very very dependent on where you live.

Sounds on the face of it unreasonable.

On the other hand the been are strangely inclined to cock the Nelson eye when it comes to the paedophiles in their midst.

It seems most likely explanation for an action so beyond the pale but disclaimer YES I KNOW that mental ill health leading to the person killing someone else is exceptionally rare, I am not saying everyone with mental health issues, even acute ones, goes around murdering people. I am big advocate for understand of mental illness and that it very rarely makes people a danger to the public.

Just that in awful, outlying cases like this, where there is no apparent terror motive, it is the likeliest explanation.

People with mental illness are far far more likely to hurt / kill themselves than others or be a victim of violence than the perpetrator. If this was a case of severe mental illness it is absolutely not a typical case.
There's already been so much damaging speculation about his race and religion. Can't we learn from that and not repeat the same problems with mental health. There's so much stigma as it is.

Yes, I considered adding this to my post above. Sadly mentally ill people ending their own lives isn't front page news as it is much more common and no one cares about them 😥

No one is saying "breakdown". We are talking about psychosis. As far as this individual goes, it is all speculation. But there doesn't seem to be much understanding of severe mental health problems on this thread. We are not talking about disorders of mood, but about disorders in perception of reality. This does not originate in life experiences, and cannot be reasoned with, or influenced, and the person involved cannot be held responsible for their actions.

To be fair they only make headlines when they succeed in killing people. Someone who takes a knife to the rugby club and is immediately tackled to the ground isn't likely to be in the national news.

Emergency mental health care is a joke. It can take over 72 hours to get a call back from them, which is too late for a person with suicidal ideation or in the throes of a psychotic episode. The alternative is being told to take them to A&E. How do you get an extremely distressed and agitated paranoid adult to A&E without assistance?

Families will literally be on their knees begging for in-patient care for their loved ones, only to be told there are no beds. It’s little wonder that events like this happen.

Thousands of mentally ill people kill themselves every year. It just doesn't make the news.

If it’s mental illness, why specially go out your way (cab ride) to attack female children instead of a passer by, group of men, any random adult? Is the fact it was specific mean he could have mental illness problems but this was still planned? It’s very different to understand mental illness when you have no experience of it or anyone around me so I’m struggling to grasp it. Does anyone have any reasonable explanations?

@TeaGinandFags apples and oranges tbh. Even the BBC couldn't have predicted what an 11 year old would do at 17.

@ballyball ah so you’re making the (incorrect) assumption that everyone suffering with mental illness has the capacity to seek help. If that was the case there wouldn’t be need for the Mental Health Act, which allows people to be detained against their will for treatment, would there?

There is Little point in speculating. Nobody knows why, maybe he himself.doesnt know why he did it.
All will be revealed at the trial

Don’t you think that the mere fact that a person who kills someone else in any way, other than a certain accident, means that they have some sort of mental ‘illness’? I mean, it’s certainly not in any way ‘normal’ to set out to kill.

Maybe I live in a better area for care than others have experienced and have been lucky.

@Reedroo yes there is the mental health act for people with limited capacity, but it is there, available and is used.

@Soontobe60 I honestly despair of the ignorance of some people on this forum. Of course not everyone who commits a murder has a mental illness. That is honestly one of the stupidest (let alone stigmatising) statements I’ve ever heard

They do, it just doesn't make the news

Based on the nature of the attack and what we know about him so far, I’d be astonished if it doesn’t come out that he was involved in incel spaces online.

Isolated, possibly autistic young men attacking girls and women have usually spent too much time in spaces that dehumanise women and blame us for not ‘giving them sex’. Sadly, little girls dancing in a way incels deem ‘sexual’ might have been a trigger (I feel sick typing that, but it’s true based on my experience of these types of people)

(i say this as an autistic person - it’s no excuse, there’s just a certain type of misogynist entitled male who struggles to get a date because of autism-related lack of skills and decides that’s somehow the fault of women)

@Soontobe60
I understand what you are saying. Wanting to hurt/harm/kill someone is not the thought process or someone with capacity or functioning mental health.

@ballyball you’re completely contradicting yourself

@Reedroo
How?

I have no idea whether it applies in the tragic case or not, but I think some people have absolutely no idea how very, very mentally ill someone who is paranoid schizophrenic and off their meds can be. It isn't like depression or anxiety or anything else that people can sympathise with and say we need to be more understanding of, it is terrifying, for the person with it and those around them.

They are really very ill.