Well this is just weird…WTH happened to this guy in 6 years

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And the average age of diagnosis is late teens, and it often affects bright young men.

It used to be that when people talked about ‘mental health issues’ people immediately thought of schizophrenia/bipolar etc. Now it seems the pendulum has swung the other way, seems like lots of people think it’s just depression/anxiety/OCD etc rather than these illnesses?
they are still here and very very serious!
I am not sure neurodivergence is mental health issue, it’s just a variation of normal, no?

" go online and buy the knives." "no a bomb" "we will see lets see what comes"
patient is fighting against this voice in their ehad with all their might. is dying inside becasue of it. but the realitys are now so interchangable. hes struggling to hear 'himself' in there at all.
"but you need to kill her. she will be protected."
" no her ive seen her walking down the street and she whispered in your ear the other day hse was going to kill you"
" that boy in the restautent. ive seen hes going to kill your mum"
2 weeks later after dark days in room, pacing, getting worse. voices appearing stronger. almost almost lost all of his true self.

"buy a rucksack." we shall go in this day. its a sunshine day it means the lgith will finally shine down in you again and take your troubles.
"no hiiiiiim there. ive seen him touching your sister. go kill him. now now now now now."

this is from one person we had to help after being taken down by chance by a ambulance worker who was in the shop at the time and spotted him talking to himself. and was able to see a knife up his sleeve.
it was one of the horrific i have ever seen and dont know what the fuck gave the ambulance the force of will to just tackle him from behind. but thank god for him.
the transcipt aboive is (slightly changed for protective purposes) but this is a almot transcript from what he was telling us in the therapy session afterwards.

this is like the notts killer rhetoric. oh he new what he was doing. he nought the stuff. went out. picked those people. you can pre med buying all the bloody arms in the world and still be being completely controled by a mental illness. you can be dictated to kill, protect or told you "saving someone" buy doing it. it makes no fucking snese ever. but when you are literally being controlled by something that has indeed taken over your brain.

thats why these deaths are so shocking. its like whats the reason!
its not some many with a white agenda. its not a wife killer.
its someone who sadly is doing (rarely happens btw this is why its so heard about when it does and often so horrific and nonsensical
but i cannot stand this really bullshittery response we get time and time again. but they planned it. they went got the weapons. they drove a cab. yes without any control over it. being directed by something that has taken over them.

so if this is not just an evil fucker killing chilren. and if this is mental illness. then yes it would make him do it,plan it, take a cab.

but these sufferers are always more a danger to themselves. and go through hell on earth in the formative years of these illness trying to fight back.

mental illness are like vile abusers. they often target the vulnerable in that person. they will both isolate and turn them against all they hold dear. they want to wittle the person down to nothing. taking them away from everyhting and everyone until they have nothing, feel like nothing and therefroe easy to manipulate by a brain intent mostly on destroying them.

I only know this is what his carers who whistle blew said they were told to do in the JB case (would explain why JB was allowed to go to the Tate alone rather than accompanied by his two carers - however, could also be an excuse given as to why he was alone. Doesn't explain why he'd been told "no" to his ipad for example).

I don't think, even with children showing a pathological demand avoidant profile (symptoms not syndrome as not in DSM-5), you're advised "never to say no" as that enables opting out/withdrawal/school refusal and doesn't build resilience or help anxiety in the long term. Life means you having to do things you don't like sometimes.

However...

What does help is adaptive parenting/adaptive teaching - how you phrase demands, giving a multiple choice question Do you want this or this or this, choosing your battles/hard boundaries (my hard ones were road safety and dental hygiene-related) and being flexible with your outcomes. Routines help but sometimes you have to abort a plan if you didn't spot a trigger, you learn how to pre-empt issues but doesn't mean you can predict every eventuality, helps to have plan B, or C, or D.

Happy to discuss but this is an entirely different thread topic and don't wish to derail this one xx

its not some many with a white agenda. its not a wife killer.

"White agenda"? And the problem is that this apparent explanation is used to minimise all manner of violence against women

Nobody has said he was or wasn’t psychotic, just responding to pp who claimed that a psychotic person couldn’t get a taxi.

He might be mentally ill, or personality disordered, or neither. We don’t know. Similarly, nobody has once said that anyone with autism or suffering from mental illness is likely to be killer.

I don't understand why the press are going with the pictue of the sweet looking child when there are recent pictures available that show someone very different.

Because people aren’t all bad or all good, the boy who bullied me on and off throughout high school and said and did some very cruel things to me and other also on occasion was perfectly pleasant, and on our last day he came up to me and gave me a hug and wished me well, about 12 months later he was one of the “wanted” faces on Crime Watch for a violent crime.

I haven't seen recent photos, only the court picture, but would imagine that Occam's razor, it was the clearest image the press had to hand at time of publication, when the judge allowed the defendant to be named. Cynics will say it is to remind people that the young man was still a minor (just) when the crimes were committed, a child killing other children and not the adult-not-really-17-is-he-immigrant-misinformation-bullshittery that violent "protesters" were using as an excuse to loot, riot and spout hate speech.
So the reminder that he is someone's son and was young once, helps curb the islamophobia, racism and potential disablism that the case has already attracted.
We do not know. We will not know until October. We may never know.
It may have been a case for Prevent, it may be a stunning indictment of mental health provision in this country, it may be psychopathy - we know nothing right now. With PRUS full everywhere, exclusion > inclusion, ACEs and lack of mental health services, practical support and help, it could be all or none of these things. It does not excuse what they did but it is human nature to try to understand why, especially for a defendant rocking back and forth in the dock and trying to hide. Cynics will say that is a ruse/an excuse/cowardice. Others may argue that you have a vulnerable person with diminished responsibility.

Yes. The uncle I was talking about upthread killed himself a couple of years later, jumped out of a 9th storey window. The only comfort we had was after 20+ suicide attempts over his life, he was at that point determined.

For anyone who thinks the people talking about very serious, intractable and incurable mental health problems like schizophrenia are a bunch of idiots who want someone who has done terrible things to be let off and wander around to do it again, you are very wrong. Many of us will have spent years trying to get these family members the help they need including by being sectioned for their own safety and that of others. There are not enough MH beds, there is not enough help, it was never good and it is getting worse.

@BehindTheSequinsandStilettos not the adult-not-really-17-is-he-immigrant-misinformation-bullshittery that violent "protesters" were using as an excuse to loot, riot and spout hate speech.

Wait… but wasn’t this kid born in Cardiff? So he’s perfectly British, Oh but he had “dark skin”, how dare he? 🙄

Honestly some of you sound perilously close to defending the guy.

https://x.com/AmiriKing/status/1819737238970024035

More recent image.

I don’t think that speculating with this kids mental issues is “defending the guy”, not at all, we really don’t know what made him comity such heinous crime (and nor do you), so this is all speculation. Whatever the reason was I believe he should be committed to an institution for the rest of his life (mental health issues or not).

He's almost smiling in that one

What happened? I expect he became seriously unwell. It happens.

FFS. It’s on Twitter that the picture isn’t him, it’s a tik tokker. It’s repeating unverified shit that kicked off these riots in the first place.

I’m guessing the press are using outdated pictures of him because they were the only ones available on an old social media account or something.

Who is "defending " him? Pointing out that sometimes very serious mental illnesses make people do terrible things is not defending. None of us have any idea whether that is the case or not with the Southport murderer, but it is rare for people to be able to actually talk about how absolutely awful some conditions are, for those with them and those around them.

If he is mentally ill, I don't foresee him ever getting out of a secure hospital, which would be the same in effect as prison. They are not great places.

I really don't think anyone is defending him. More just recognising that "normal" brains do not commit these kind of acts. And that in itself is tragic, that a child can grow into someone so broken that it leads to something like this. Innocent lives lost and families torn apart. Could this have been prevented? Maybe. Obviously, he now needs to be locked away for the rest of his life.

There’s a reason reputable outlets haven’t used this. Just like the fake name that was shared.

I’ve spoken about this on another thread so going to try not to go into long winded talk. But I will say a few things which have concerned me on this thread.

Obviously the let’s just lock up all psychotics/ schizophrenics preventatively is not ok.I assume most would agree.

Controversially I don’t agree with talk about those with psychosis being denounced for stopping their meds and then relapsing. For a few reasons; Firstly these meds are incredibly strong both mentally and psychically and can cause really bad side effects. Some acute, some long term, and some life shortening.

Secondly, because there are newer studies which show that for first instance psychosis (where it’s unclear whether someone has schizophrenia or not); that taking the medication for a much shorter period than is currently recommended is actually beneficial in full recovery and long term outcomes. I know this because I had psychosis, I was sectioned and medicated against my will. And I was very lucky to have a dear friend who worked with some of the leading psychiatrists in Europe who told me you need to come off these meds now (against the wishes of my NHS psychiatrist). He coached me through my recovery (along side psychologist and CBT treatment on NHS) and I am now med free nearing a decade with no relapse. Completely back to normal and statistically out the woods.

If people want to reduce the risk of psychotic/ schizophrenic people then we need a national campaign for signs and symptoms, why you need to get help fast and how to access that help. It’s not always people talking to them, hearing voices, seeing things. I had none of that.

Our Early intervention in psychosis programmes in this country are world leading and work incredibly well IF you access the help quickly. And I mean incredibly quickly: 24-48 hours ideally. A week max from onset of symptoms.

I am glad people are having these conversations. I was really lucky and am aware I was privileged in many ways which helped. I wish everyone had the same chances.

It's so weird. I've just been reading a mirror article on him that described him as an angelic choirboy and how his family are Christian churchgoers and you'd hear him singing hymns I mean, just nominate him for a medal while they're on.

Then all this rhetoric around him being mentally ill and psychotic, with no evidence whatsoever. FFS

Very strange

He can be angelic choirboy and have devout Christian family and have schizophrenia, there is absolutely nothing strange about it. More so, if he WASN’T exhibiting psychopathic traits (like sadistic treatment of animals) and was an angelic choir boy it is even MORE likely that he had serious mental issue like schizophrenia instead

I'm sorry for what you've been through but you do realise there isn't a cure for schizophrenia right?

So I dont believe that our politicians are the ones with the real power, I believe that they are controlled and it doesn't matter whether they are labour or conservative . Thanks