Well this is just weird…WTH happened to this guy in 6 years

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Schizophrenia is basically just recurring psychosis.

There are people who have psychosis once, have fast treatment and it doesn’t repeat.

The people with schizophrenia I know first hand (and that includes a few close friends, one of them who took her life some years ago) live in a "parallel reality", a very stressful one that is full of "conspiracies", like people who want to harm them, "evil spirits" etc... Many of them her voices in their heads telling them to do this or the other. My friend used to believe her phone was bugged (it was not) and the government listening to our coversations, that was HER reality, if I tried to question it she would get very angry at me. Like the above poster said non schizophrenic people can also have a psychotic outbreak once, things like a deep depression can cause it, or a drug too.

Schizophrenia and psychosis are two separate things. If an actual schizophrenic did the same thing you did it would not mean they were cured, they would still experience all the horrifying symptoms they get because it's a separate entity to psychosis.

Not strictly true. My DM has recurring psychosis but she’s not schizophrenic. She has Dissociative Identity Disorder (used to be called Multiple Personality Disorder). There are other psychotic disorders aside from schizophrenia.

Controlled by whom or what exactly

Whilst I agree there’s other ways to have psychosis that aren’t schizophrenia. Schizophrenia is just a label or diagnosis given to people who have psychotic episodes.

I can only comment from my own experience. Which was that my doctor told me they think I have schizophrenia. That they weren’t going to write that as a diagnosis as it would limit some of my life opportunities. But that if I came back and sat on her seat again then unfortunately it would be changed.

Does that mean I am a schizophrenic who was cured? I have no idea. That’s why I like to use words like statistics/ chances. Because in all likelihood if you have a psychotic break, you will relapse. And when you relapse, you’re more likely to relapse again. Keep relapsing and that’s chronic. It’s basically inevitable. Your brains just gone. There’s no diagnosis for chronic psychosis; so you’re either going to called schizophrenic or something else.

The point of bringing this up is this guy was 17. If it related to a psychosis then it’s likely a first episode or a relapse preceding a first episode. At that stage they don’t know if it’s schizophrenia or not. Unless it’s genetic. And acute psychosis can become schizophrenia.

Im not an expert on all things schizophrenia / psychosis. I know more than the layman, but am not a doctor. All I’m trying to do is advocate for more awareness so people who have a first episode of psychosis can get help quickly and better their chances.

or a drug too.

The other epidemic

I guess she means controlled by their party and the corporations?

That's not quite true, there are diagnostic criteria for schizophrenia other than episodes of psychosis, and it is possible to have schizophrenia without ever having a psychotic episode. People focus a lot on psychosis but the negative symptoms of schizophrenia (withdrawal, apathy, loss of personality, even catatonia) are also very debilitating and unlike psychosis there are few/no effective treatments for these which is very sad.

I believe I came across a theory that unchecked/untreated psychosis is actually linked to brain damage and this may be responsible for (in some sufferers) a gradual accumulation of negative symptoms as well as predisposing to future psychosis - supporting the idea you have mentioned that treating quickly with antipsychotics is very important. It's absolutely tragic that services are not always good enough to treat psychosis promptly as the medical emergency that it is.

Ultimately though as you say, these are just labels and even psychiatrists still do not understand the mechanism by which schizophrenia happens (though there are lots of theories). So it is defined based on clusters of symptoms that have been observed in sufferers essentially, there's a degree of subjectivity in that.

It can be a very tragic illness especially because sufferers are stigmatised. Equally some others can manage their symptoms effectively with medication.

I'm so happy for you that you have recovered following a single episode of psychosis and are living a good life as well as spreading awareness.

I hope you stay well @Inlaw .

I was watching a documentary on Syd Barratt the other night. It mentioned some psychiatrist who claimed that some see a breakdown (Barratt had several) maybe should be seen as a failed attempt at a breakthrough to some alternative consciousness. How that would have helped Syd as a functioning adult who could have created more art was never really explained though

We don't know what has happened here at all yet.
I guess the young man involved will be having intensive assessments now and reports for the court will be prepared.
If severe mental illness is involved it's tragic for everyone. Mainly the families of the little girls killed and harmed, also for his family and himself.
This isn't defending the guy.
If he is mentally ill he will need to be detained in a forensic psychiatric facility. If he is not mentally ill he will need to be imprisoned.
OP's take on it is a strange conspiracy theory.

Agree.
Also defending no. But yes I do look at this type of "murder" differently. It's like the bullshit that spread about the Notts killer at the time. There is I'm afraid to point out to some who don't get it, a bloody big difference between an evil sadistic child, human killer that do heinous acts because sadly those people exist. To a person suffering with an illness so fucking horrific that it drives this person literally "mad" and yes FORCES them to commit these acts. With no control, with no who he was before. With no excuse for these horrible, awful deaths. But an explanation, yes. Feeling empathy for people with these illness isn't the same as defending or feeling "sorry" for this boy. But yeah ok, I am one of those that see a big fuckigg difference between evils and not.
And like other killers with severe uncontrollable mental illness it might be a secure hospital. Which again the misinformed and ignorant say is lnt bad enoguh, isn't jail, isn't punishments. Yes they are. They aren't a hospital. They are a prison, but for the very very sick. Too sick and dangerous to be among prisoners and the staff. To dangerous to themselves and with illness that control them to the point conscious choice stops being an option. Secure hospital or prisons for the ill. And they are disgusting hell holes where the patients are trusted worse than prison so no worries there. And if you want to hear that lad scream at night for his crime. Go stand in one of those units corridors. You'll hear them all screaming. Tired to a bed, medicated so they dknt no there names. Dragged around. Abused by staff and often sadly staff. Left to rot but "secure".

And I shall caveat just incase someone tries to re write my post in their heads. I'm not defending what happened. Or him. Or belittling the tragic event.
But the stigmatic and ignorant and flippant use of mental illness theory's is uncomfortable and so often wrong. And very often disgusting.
It doesn't help those who suffer. It doesn't help those who go down this path get secure, help, medical attention so yes they dont spiral to this.it stop families being ok or being able to reach out too.
And mental health treatment is worse than the pits of Boris Johnson armpits.

And also if this is a person who decided to get up one day think oh I no those kids deserve to die. Got in his taxi and did it.then yoho,yes. Evil.

I'm sure someone will come along and find where I've written this wrong. Or worded it incorrectly so I'm somehow wrong.

Thanks TinyLittleUnicorn.

I definitely had those ‘withdrawal, apathy, loss of personality, even catatonia’, but I think some of that was the antipsychotics themselves (apathy, loss of person, being very ‘dead/ numb’, some catatonia).

It is something very hard to study and I understand why. So no wonder they struggle to understand it.

I hope they continue researching further. Some of the scandi countries are doing really interesting work atm with adolescent FEP.

Fingers crossed for better outcomes 😊

We don't know what happened to him. Mental issues, social issues....who knows? What we know is the aftermath of his killing - he killed three kds and the worst of society, pushed by right wing extremist, have pushed the protests to levels many of us thought not possible in the UK.

Lucy Letby killed was found guilty of killing 7 newborns - babies completely vulnerable.but not one rioted against her in the UK.

Them. Y'know, "them". Take your pick: George Soros, Bill Gates, the freemasons, the Jews, the WEF, the Bilderberg Group (they've dropped out of favour a bit recently).

They all live on an island surrounded by henchmen and henchwomen to do their bidding. (The actual logistics of manipulating the world's governments, from the White House to the Kremlin, are rarely discussed. I wonder what the Evil Cabal's maternity leave policy is?)

@Alondra Lucy Letby killed was found guilty of killing 7 newborns - babies completely vulnerable.but not one rioted against her in the UK.

Exactly, and nobody created AI fake photographs of white women with a smirk killing babies then distributed them on telegram and other social media with the intent of social upheaval.

@samarrange no it's lizards. It's always lizards.

On the use of the picture, the simplest explanation is likely to be the right one - it makes for a good story. It's a new angle - he depicted Dr Who in a BBC charity video. Dr Who is popular, newspapers like the Mail love to bash the BBC and finally it is a human interest angle - the contrast between the killer now and the sweet looking boy proud to be playing a popular children's character.

I didn't realise Calocane (Nottingham stabbings) had paranoid schizophrenia.
There were missed opportunities there - he'd been reported for assault six weeks before. He'd been sectioned four times. He wasn't on his meds. He was of no fixed abode.
With police and health care/social services interventions in the six weeks/twelve months before he offended, there might have been a different outcome. His family were also church-going. He was also academic previously.

The only way to prevent such tragedies is more monitoring and support.
The government need to invest more money into education (BESD support/those at risk of exclusion) and into mental health services, particularly as this country is facing a mental health crisis.

If there is psychopathy or first-time schizophrenia, there's not a lot one can do.
But certainly, in the cases of Bravery and Calocane, there were red flags there.
Few people are truly evil apart from family annihilators- there are psychopaths out there who are not integrated, but it isn't the first conclusion you'd draw. Premeditation is nonetheless something you'd look at.

Even with the most horrific of crimes, you also need to look at the bigger picture and what adverse childhood experiences may have occurred. The nature/nurture debate isn't abdicating responsibility. It's looking at what preventative measures can be put in place by a humanist society. Bringing back hanging won't bring those little girls back. The poem below illustrates this point better than I can.

The truth is this:
every monster
you have met
or will ever meet
was once a human being
with a soul
that was as soft
and light
as silk

Someone stole
that silk from their soul
and turned them
into this

So when you see
a monster next
always remember
do not fear
the thing before you
fear the thing
that created it
instead.

-NIKITA GILL

The UK conservative and extreme right politics has imported and bought into their political makeup, the same right wing policies in the Republican's US. Serial killers like Letby, Fred and Rose West, Sutcliff....all serial British killers accepted by society as an internal problem, without the race and immigration issue to be exploited by the conservatives the way these riots are driven by.

Well, exactly. It is stirred up racial hatred. The catalyst of Robinson's arrest, plus the cesspit of X/misinformation by racists or Russians or fuckwits, plus the heatwave, plus the voting pattern/success of Reform UK (it wasn't all a result of tactical voting ffs, there are far-right people among us) = an excuse to cause mayhem.

No, that's recurring psychotic episodes. Schizophrenia isn't just psychosis.

When I was a child I was in a very popular tv program. Similar to this Doctor Who thing here it was a short one off feature in the show. It was a week out of my life to film it, then it aired and a month or so later it was forgotten. Nothing else about my life changed, why would it? I imagine in this situation they came to his school and picked some kids who looked right and could say the lines. This event in his life would pass into nothing more than a thing to mention to friends in the pub.

Why are the press showing pictures of him as a child? Well they are the ones they can get hold of. I imagine school friends will have pictures of him that they would be willing to share, especially for a few quid.

To my mind, and this is nothing but speculation on my part, various things have made he feel isolated. Autism and being the child of immigrants might well have contributed to that. He has then gone on to isolate himself, refusing to leave the house etc. He may well have been taken in by incel online groups who might have encouraged him to undertake the actions which he did.

There is no defined mental illness called ‘recurring psychotic episodes’. That’s a symptom of an illness. At some point they will give you a named illness as diagnosis whether you like it or not.

It’s completely academic though. I have no idea why so many posters are so het up on this. Do you think schizophrenia is always more dangerous and an acute psychosis less? Do you think schizophrenics should be medicated for life even if currently well and against their will? Or that all first instance psychosis should not be treated as suspect schizophrenia, or that it should?

What is the actual relevance of the name we are using here in the discussion and what are you actually trying to say?

Surely though if it was some sort of MH episode, he'd be sectioned and in hospital right now?

Given his young age and what he did, surely the first thing the police would have done was obtained some kind of psychiatric assessment? If nothing else, they would need to know he was fit to be interviewed.

I could be wrong, but the fact he's being held in youth detention and not psychiatric detention means it's unlikely this was any kind of MH episode.