Well this is just weird…WTH happened to this guy in 6 years

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I agree there's little point speculating. But sadly I don't think that all will be revealed. I think very little of the overarching, complex, interconnected, myriad reasons why anyone does anything is ever truly presented, examined or understood in court.

Maybe he was convinced that Taylor Swift was taking over the minds of kids who were going to turn into zombies and take over the world, and he had to stop them and save the world. If he was psychotic, there could have been a million and one thoughts he had that would appear to be completely crazy to a mentally well person. We don’t know, and won’t know until the trial.

My DM has a psychotic condition. She once told me that all the vegetables in the house were going to kill us, and we had to take them to a particular local beauty spot to dispose of them. Luckily she was sectioned that evening, but if she hadn’t been I’m sure she’d have gone to that place to dump the veg, and she would have been capable of getting there. It wouldn’t have been proof that she wasn’t severely mentally unwell.

Also edited to add, I’m not suggesting that he did think that about Taylor Swift. I was just giving an example of the type of beliefs that psychotic individuals can have.

if he’s not an incel, then this is a possibility too. While the increased awareness around mental health conditions like anxiety and depression is a positive step, it’s also given some people a misleading idea of what mental illness can be at its worst and of what really severe, psychosis-related mental illness looks like, to the extent that they don’t quite believe it exists.

I would be wondering why someone with that level of illness was off their meds.

If they chose off their own accord to stop then committed a crime, no leniency should be given for crime resulting from that illness.

This, all the apologists for his murders, but yet are quickly virtue signalling with the condemning of the (idiotic) rioters.
Why aren't they being given the 'yeah but, poor them' excuses?

Until more information comes out, all we are doing is speculating. It seems pointless to argue amongst ourselves when at this point, no one knows.

No way will the Courts want to get this one wrong so he will have every test under the sun I'm sure. I'm also sure that any tech in the home will be gone through with a fine tooth comb. All will be revealed in time.

That is when I think a more productive discussion can take place.

My personal view is that I don't want to think about him at the moment. Right now he's locked up where he should be. All of my thoughts currently are for the victims and families. For the brave teacher who shielded the children, risking her life in the process and other members of the public that tried to help. He doesn't interest me at all. Unfortunately the thread title didn't make the topic clear and once I read it, I did then decide to post. But I think this is the time to focus on those who were harmed. Discussion on him can wait until the Court case and outcome.

They often stop them because they’re paranoid that the doctors are poisoning them. How can you expect a person with no mental capacity to have responsibility for taking their meds? It’s like expecting a dementia sufferer to remember to take them.

The perpetrator is now an adult.

I think the question should be, why are most of the photographs of him taken so long ago? (Over 5 years)

Where are the recent pictures of him that he/his family/friends/cctv have not been used? Last month, last Christmas etc there must be plenty to choose from. This is a man who is likely to be old enough to grow a beard, be strong and capable.

The pictures published show a very young smiley happy CHILD. An ideal photo of a tiny helpless fragile boy, butter wouldn't melt.

Why?

Can I respectfully ask you to respond in a more open manner? If you think the comment is ‘stupid’ or ‘stigmatising’ then people will listen to your explanation and reasons why if it’s polite. If you just go in fighting people will either respond the same way back or just leave the thread. Either way, there’s an opportunity for you to explain something to people, use it. Thank you.

You really have no idea how it works. They take the (still horrible) meds, think they are well and stop taking them and are then ill again. Really ill, psychotic. They are not in control of these decisions.

I have personal experience of how this happens.

His autism diagnosis is irrelevant it will be no more than a comorbidity

@Pandasandtigers I think you’re confusing mental illness with a cognitive restriction. You can still be capable of functioning well enough to be able to obtain a weapon, get where you need to go and so on, but have a totally skewed perception of reality due to psychosis. So someone might have a totally fixed, unshakeable belief that a specific person or group of people are evil, or possessed and the only way they can save the world from them is to kill them. They might meet you and pose no risk, but might meet a person or people about who their delusions and paranoia are about and be incredibly dangerous, I’m obviously not saying in any way whatsoever that this is what has happened in this case but I’m just trying to answer your question with an broad example

I did a sharp intake of breath when the news reported he was diagnosed with autism. Just what the autistic community needed. Not. Annoying as having autism doesn't mean a thing in this context.

Paranoid schizophrenia possibly?

He could have become mentally ill. But I don't believe there wouldn't have been signs before and the victims have been spectacularly let down.

He also could have just been a raging misogynist that decided to target an event that was likely to attract more females for him to murder.

It could be a bit of both. I Di winder if once he turns 18, they will stop using photos of him as a child. Rather than an almost grown man

This is such an interesting point. Do you have any theories?

1 in 100 people are diagnosed with schizophrenia and still nobody knows anything about it.

It is a very very difficult condition to live with and completely turns a person into someone they are not. It is not very easy to treat and mental health services are so poor right now. If a person was becoming more unwell this could have easily slipped anyone's radar.

Stupidest thing I’ve read on the internet ALL DAY.

There are no photos of my brother from the age of about 12 well into his adulthood. He simply would not allow his photo to be taken.

Not saying this is the reason, but there are plenty of reasons why a young person would have few or no photos of themselves.

He's been described as having autism and refusing to engage with his family or leave the house for a long time. Neighbours never saw him. There will likely be comormid conditions - maybe psychosis - that have led to his abhorrent actions

I have two autistic children (one of whom never leaves the house because he's so anxious) and I know that it's nearly impossible to get help for children like this. Children's mental health services are overwhelmed. If you're a young person struggling with your mental health, but at home with your parents (ie being cared for), you won't be high up on the list. I only managed to get help for one of my sons by putting in a detailed complaint to PALS.

At this stage, and without further information to go on, I suspect that this case will turn out to be the result of failings in our mental health system. It's absolutely tragic for everyone involved.

It might have been his first episode and no meds have been prescribed yet.

If mental illness is an excuse, what is it excusing? What do you imagine to be their real motive?

I think the government is behind the event . the BBC and they government are closely connected. Used this event to create riot's so that protesting laws will be strengthened . All the people who think I am mad , I really do hope you are right , but this is where I am now in my thinking. Just seems very odd to me

Not just because it happens often. News organisations are discouraged from reporting suicide as I believe there is some evidence that it can encourage other people to take the same step. So it only v rarely makes the news when it’s a notable person etc. The last thing anyone wants to do is write a story that makes someone else take their own life. https://media.samaritans.org/documents/Media_Guidelines_FINAL.pdf