Repeat of 2011 Riots looming?

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Awful news from Southport, my heart goes out to all involved and the communities. Shocking.

Can’t help but think after watching BBC News this evening that with Downing Street Riots, Manchester and now Hartlepool, that we’re now heading towards a repeat of the 2011 riots?

Yes. It sounds cynical but a bit of hot weather is a contributory factor, I think. It's easier to play hell on a warm evening in August than a damn cold one in January. I'll read on and see how many others might have agreed with you on this.

A relative once said that some people just enjoy a fight. She'd have been lambasted for saying it in public, no doubt. But it does look as if there are those who use any excuse to enjoy themselves fighting, and they galvanise others who do have reasons for thinking they're being hard done by in some way. I'm in my 70s. It would be interesting to go back through my life and count up how many headlines there've been about riots. Toxteth? Bristol? Where else? Sidney Street? Mmm, better look that one up !

Thanks for explaining. How shameful that this has had no wider press attention or any action.

It doesn’t fit with the rewriting of history. Basically unless they personally witnessed it or participated it doesn’t exist.

A relative once said that some people just enjoy a fight

@upinaballoon they weren’t wrong. I was out with a group of friends and one of their friends piped up with ‘they really shouldn’t annoy me at work, some poor twat ends up getting it on a Friday night’. Classy lady she was…

What’s your point here? That you somehow feel aggrieved at the representations of these groups? Are they factually incorrect in some way?

Do you think, on average, the rioters last night are from middle class or privileged backgrounds?

@AngelsWithSilverWings I don't think the mods and rockers ran around with knives and machetes or am I wrong ??

It's nice weather in the northwest of England, but not really all that hot.
I suppose the thugs wouldn't have been so eager to turn up if it had been pissing down but that really is no excuse whatever.

@lollipoprainbow not machetes but the mods carried flick knives. There's been a few old newspaper articles shared on local social media showing that these problems are far from a new thing and they are quite interesting. I'm not by any means trying to play it down. It's bloody awful that these teenagers feel the need to carry machetes and join gangs. And it's not just kids travelling from London , we have our own local county lines problems too unfortunately.

@PandoraSox I think the only reason the Southend incident has made the national news this time and not before is because it's been lumped in with the Southport incident and the EDL riots.

Far right posters on social media have jumped on the fact that it was mainly young black teenagers from London causing the trouble in Southend and have been sharing clips on social media to add weight to their anti immigration rhetoric.

They ran around with flick knives, coshes, and motorcycle chains. Stabbings were commonplace at Margate, Bournmouth etc.

So you are saying that wasn't the case and the media made it up about who it was ??

And the schools universities etc are closed for the summer. We've already had an increase in petty crime and vandalism in our town. It happens every year at this time.

@lollipoprainbow no I'm just stating facts. The trouble makers in Southend were predominantly black teenagers on a day trip from London and the far right are jumping on that fact and sharing videos of the knife fights to add weight to their anti immigration rhetoric in the wake of the Southport attack.

@lollipoprainbow I have no idea if they are immigrants or not and neither do you. Their status as either uk citizens ( which I imagine most of them are ) or immigrants is irrelevant to me - the problem is them running around with machetes and causing trouble in my town.

The EDL posting anti immigration rhetoric is not going to solve the very serious issue of knife crime. As I said in a previous post - we have our own county lines problem in Southend and I know both white working class and middle class kids that have been caught up in knife and drug culture here.

I’m concerned about anyone tearing around with machetes. Whether they are immigrants or not is completely irrelevant. This kind of comment stokes up the very rhetoric and awful behaviour we have seen this week.

I think we will see riots all over the place now. There seems to be a real bubbling tension, it's frightening

They say the weather is the best policeman, ie people don't go out and riot when it's cold, wet, blowy, frosty etc.

But fine, hot, humid weekends, when people have been drinking and are out on the streets.....that's when trouble flares. All it needs is a match !

Are you picking that up from SM?

You may be right but I’m not on X

In other news a 16 year old lad has drowned in Windermere while on a school trip. 😭😭😭They think he was trying to help two other people. His dad paid tribute to him. He should have been safe on a school trip. We don't see anyone kicking off about that though do we.

I looked his dad up on Facebook. He is raising money for a well in Uganda in memory of his son. Let's help him reach his target.

https://justgiving.com/page/abuzr?fbclid=IwY2xjawEZboJleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHbBGEBUBlRlQfpgZhKzAYBUpL710iRj1hNMqXisWHuI8j7NS8SSnjB3Bsw_aem_tdsjTre9iZ2c5JhFKsMvxg

"P.C. Rain"

They need to get the army in get the water cannons on them. That's what they did in the London riots.

They certainly did run around with knives and were very violent. That's why they were seen as a huge issue. Machetes were harder to come by before the internet otherwise they would have had them too.

No they didn’t. The U.K. doesn’t have any water cannon and the army are not deployed against civilians in GB (NI is a different matter).

Honestly, the rubbish people make up.