Repeat of 2011 Riots looming?

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Awful news from Southport, my heart goes out to all involved and the communities. Shocking.

Can’t help but think after watching BBC News this evening that with Downing Street Riots, Manchester and now Hartlepool, that we’re now heading towards a repeat of the 2011 riots?

yes, I predict a riot

But it is true. Riots don't tend to happen in the UK if it is raining. And the people rioting are thugs who are hijacking this tragedy.

I think you do the Brexit voters a disservice. I bet very few of them support these thugs.

Someone's stirring all this up. There doesn't seem to be any real sense of anything behind this other than mindless thugs being egged on by someone

I hate your bog standard criminals, but I think I hate this lot more. The indiscriminate destruction and foul atmosphere they inflict on anyone or anything like they have a god given right to spew their foulness unrestricted.

if you associate yourself with the same groups these people associate themselves with and aren’t making massive efforts to distance yourself without claiming victimhood for yourself then you’re just like them and I feel exactly the same way about you.

Farage has been stirring the pot. Yaxley-Lennon is probably doing the same from wherever he is hiding at the moment. Then there are the thousands of bot accounts on social media stirring things up...

How do you think Boris Johnson got his majority in 2019? It was because Farage stood down any Brexit Party candidate in the South and made sure there was full representation in the North, where some of the largest brexit voting areas were. Result? It split the Labour vote, so although the Tories didn't put on any vote share, they were still able to win the seat.

Re: stirring the pot:

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/jul/31/farage-accused-of-inciting-southport-violence-by-former-counter-terror-chief

@Rainbowsponge your issue seems to be with the voting system in Britain and France then?

I doubt it.

I lived in East London in 2011 and I thought that ultimately these riots were mainly about getting free stuff from shops...

This time this is just an opportunist far right mob, and thankfully they are in the minority.

I hope the police has learned from the London riots though: you need to nip it in the bud early on and come down hard on the perpetrators rather than allow it to build up.

Social media posts by bad actors (whether homegrown or foreign) amplified by useful idiots. The riot in Southport was an inevitable consequence of the inflammatory and false stories posted by the likes of ‘Channel 3 News’. The EDL (and their successors/aliases) amplified these and then called one of their regular “Patriots Assemble” demos which inevitably turned into a drunken riot. There are dozens of these groups, all descended from NF, BNP, C18 etc and all intimately associated with football hooligan firms. They now tend to be loose associations with no real hierarchical structure, which makes them much harder to infiltrate. Their actions tend to be spontaneous and unplanned, as we saw in Southport.

People are rightly pissed off about two tier policing. Pussy footing round the hare hills rioters, standing by while a bus was torched and talking nicely nicely to the romas and running away compared to bashing innocent bystanders over the head with batons last night in Downing Street, and arresting elderly people.

Funny how the riot shields and batons come out for some and not others.

No just a few angry lads 🙄

Yes I don’t recall seeing any threads on the equally as damaging riot by another group only a couple of weeks ago?

It was a bit different in 2011. That was about the police killing Mark Duggan, a black man, in Tottenham.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_England_riots?wprov=sfla1

I think the Internet has a huge part to play in how these things come about. There's a LOT of anti-immigration and racist rhetoric online. It's a binfire of abuse on every platform I use. It's appalling.

Precisely

Agree

Yes , there's a reason the police refer to PC Rain.

The one in Leeds? There was loads of discussion about it here at the time

It's true though, if you look at most of them they are thick scrotes - they couldn't tell you why they are rioting other than it's something to do. And if they did try their locus of control would be completely external. It's the Pulp song isn't it, but replace dancing for rioting. There's probably a few wives and girlfriends that haven't got battered because they've taken their frustration out on the police.

Have you studied theories of rioting and policing riots?

‘ would very much like to send these people to Rwanda‘

Is this irony?

I agree. Not to mention the likes of Tommy Robinson and the other idiot Andrew Tate stoking hatred. No one can see the irony of Andrew Tate’s “outrage” at the murder of little girls when his whole personality is based on misogyny and the oppression of females.

Lots of people appear to have lost the ability to look at information and analyse whether it is credible. They watch/read something and immediately think it is factual. It is extremely worrying.

Not much else to do with everything being overpriced, overcrowded or simply shut down.

EDL rioters - thick and racist
Harehills rioters - poor and deprived

The Southend incident this week is a separate thing.

Ever since lockdown we've had an issue here with large groups of young people from London arranging occasional mass gatherings/beach parties via social media.

This week was probably the worst I've seen - I was driving along the seafront when they all started arriving off the train and it was clear to me then that there would be trouble due to the anti social behaviour I witnessed from the car.

The police issued a dispersal order earlier in the day as they knew it was going to happen but were caught up in a separate incident on the other side of town and it seems were a bit slow to respond to the knife fight that occurred on the seafront. It was the security guards for the local amusement park trying to contain the situation that you can see in the videos that have been posted.

This will unfortunately happen again and again ( and used to happen in the 50's and 60's with the Mods and Rockers - it's a seaside thing ) It's up to the transport police and the local police and City Council to make sure these events don't became as dangerous as this last one did.

There is alot of anger here about it as we've put up with it for the past few years and each time the police and local politicians say they will stop it happening again. Our two mew MPs have vowed to deal with the problem but how I don't know. The last MP campaigned for knife arches at the stations but these are useless when these gangs of kids just jump the barriers at the station because they haven't even bought tickets.

There is a rumour that another event is planned for Saturday and it's really worrying when I have an 18 year old son who wants to go to his friend's birthday drinks at the pub that night.