Repeat of 2011 Riots looming?

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Awful news from Southport, my heart goes out to all involved and the communities. Shocking.

Can’t help but think after watching BBC News this evening that with Downing Street Riots, Manchester and now Hartlepool, that we’re now heading towards a repeat of the 2011 riots?

That really is a very good point. It's unbearingly humid tonight.

I think you should engage with everybody, the madder the better.

Ignoring someone cos they’re wrong or nasty thankfully usually works. But not always. Eg Hitler.

I guess the trouble is that engagement would feel like legitimising extremism or its concerns.

Rain forecast for tomorrow.
Fingers crossed.

Long hot summer?!

It's not going to happen then. We've had a teeny time bit of good weather. My tomatoes are shocking this year.

Shit tomatoes = no riots.

Southport rioter bricked in the nadgers

https://x.com/ParodyPM/status/1818403052295979224

Saved for a grateful nation

https://x.com/MajorWhipple/status/1818620061059289461

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And yet everyone was cheering that the left in France fiddled their election results so only the left wing would be represented. 🤷‍♀️

Has the gallant chap with the sore nads been named yet. I feel sure it is in the public interest so we can all thank him for protecting the police in such a selfless manner.

Can you explain exactly how the left fiddled the election results in France?

That's easy. By winning, and I did not want them to win.
Much like Labour in the UK.

They tactically withdrew candidates to ensure the right wing parties did not succeed in those constituencies. You can shadily ‘justify’ it by saying it was still a fair vote, but the intention was to underrepresent the right wing, to ensure a left victory. If Reform had announced at last minute it was withdrawing all its candidates the Tories would’ve likely won the election, but I doubt the same people supporting France would call for another election under those circumstances.

As a Lib Dem voting centrist, the left are sneaky, dishonest, sexist, smug, hypocritical, intolerant and totalitarian. And it’s the denial of that and insistence on crushing dissent that means the right will always explode rather than being represented in a managed and proportionate way.

This is the result 🤷‍♀️

I also wonder what engagement would look like and how their 'demands' would be met? Do they even have clear demands or is it just general dissatisfaction with their own life? I'm not saying they should be ignored but I am not sure they are open to reasoned debate?

In the interests of factual accuracy I would like to point out that, it is exactly what Reform did in 2019. Additionally it is unlikely that in 2024 Reform pulling a similar stunt would have had the same effect, yes the Labour majority would have been reduced, but all the available evidence suggests it would still have been a landslide.

@Rainbowsponge they formed a coalition to defeat RN. That’s not ‘fiddling’. It’s just politics. UKIP did something similar in 2019 when they withdrew candidates from Tory marginals. And Labour and Libdem did similar this year - not actually withdrawing candidates but withdrawing support. I have absolutely no issue with it.

I seem to recall that Jeremy Corbyn was widely ridiculed for engaging with a variety of terrorist organisations, it what way would engaging with these thugs be significantly different?

Well this is only the beginning, both in the UK and in Europe, and if you're surprised then you must've had your head in the sand.

Excellent post.

Agreed. Labour winning wasn’t a victory to show the UK has fallen in love with left wing politics, it was a result of Reform splitting the vote and the Tories doing a frankly terrible job. The popular vote shows broadly speaking right of centre politics are just as popular as left of centre, and trying to suppress it or smear people as bigots rather than giving them managed representation results in incidents like this. I don’t know why anyone is remotely surprised. It isn’t limited to the UK, so the left can’t even claim it’s the ‘British Bulldog mentality’. Most continental European countries are experiencing the same thing - tinderbox effects due to the left and their intolerant totalitarianism.

Sure. It's got nothing to do with years of failed neoliberal economics leaving in its wake a deeply unequal society with large sections marginalised and with little stake in society. Or decades of demonising immigrants and blaming them for the failures of government policy.

There's a reason the US didn't turn fascist after the great depression, but Germany did after souring unemployment. Failure to act by the German government vs collective action by the US.

It feels like we're approaching a similar juncture, where significant action needs to be taken, but we don't have a government willing to take it.

But we haven't had a leftist government for years?

As soon as it starts raining again the thugs will stop rioting. Plus the football season is about to start up again, so they can go back to fighting with each other.

Oh, has Starmer introduced totalitarianism? Passed me by.

Yeah it’s these kind of comments which mean we ended up with protest votes like Brexit. Well done!

I think it will be worse. People feel more disenfranchaised, the Reform party and others have been stirring things up during the election and the weather forest looks warm and sunny.

Oh, did I say he had? That passed me by, too.

My point entirely. Pretending right of centre views are for fringe lunatics and Neo nazis would be very unwise indeed.