Southport - why do they keep saying a ‘Taylor Swift themed club’?

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It’s really bothering me.

Is it because
a) the murder of 2 children and attempted murder and severe injury of 9 others isn’t newsworthy enough without involving Taylor Swift’s name?

b) Taylor Swift needs to suffer some guilt by association in the way Ariana Grande did with the bombing at her concert?

What’s the need or relevance? If it had been a 80’s music dance class would they keep saying that? Why not just say summer dance club and then focus on the children and adults who were hurt or killed - I can’t even imagine the devastation their families and the whole community must be suffering.

Anyone?

OP here, what a completely tedious argument between posters this has turned into. Totally hijacked the thread and the point it was meant to be focused on - ie the nature of the reporting on a horrific, violent act in terms of the misogyny it engendered.

MNet, I think the point has been lost and perhaps this thread should disappear before any more crap is quoted on here? Examples of the media and their ingrained misogyny can be discussed any time but this case is not the one and now is not the time. I realise I should not have asked now, it’s too much.

Let’s leave it be, more evidential FACTS will come out during the trial/sentencing and in the meantime our real focus should be on prevention of a similar event and the protection from any further pain of the families who should only need to focus on their loss and not the media circus around it.

MNet, I think the point has been lost and perhaps this thread should disappear before any more crap is quoted on here? Examples of the media and their ingrained misogyny can be discussed any time but this case is not the one and now is not the time. I realise I should not have asked now, it’s too much.

But you posted about the nature of the reporting, and the relevance of mentioning Taylor Swift. Even the diversion which emerged as a result of one poster clinging to, and reposting incorrect information seen in the media, was relevant because it’s an example of how easily misinformation is spread.

And the discussion of misogyny was never more relevant, given the nature of the event that was targeted and its’ links with a singer who has been outspoken on the subject. Several threads posted on this subject have been taken down for speculation. This one has survived, despite a warning from MN, and has largely stayed on topic and discussed some of the wider issues. It’s a shame it took a turn, but l think it was eventually successful in shutting down the misinformation. The facts of the case, and the motive, as you say, will emerge in time and when they do, they need to be discussed openly if we’re to have any hope of stopping this from ever happening again.

Now the case is sub judice that will hopefully stop the speculation and misinformation.

https://www.thetimes.com/article/3b420088-67e9-4f44-a3a4-63b002eaa133?shareToken=ab5c2034241d5f3536cac79019a200bd

That's a great article.

Southport stabbings: PM summons police as riots spread

www.thetimes.com/article/f257fa7a-10a4-40f6-b128-287640766110?shareToken=c275a8eedcb577137dde16ee678e8742

Hopefully this link will work - if not it’s a link to an article in The Times this morning.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13697675/southport-stabbing-suspect-named-appears-court-charged-murder.html

My god it’s so awful to contemplate

Horrendous, those poor girls

No, I just don't think that police officers should kick people/stamp on people's heads/faces when they are lying face ground on the floor. Regardless of what has just happened. It's also illegal.
Quite simple really. If they can't control themselves they shouldn't be police officers.

The trouble is, the amount of abuse they get day in day out, some of them are likely to eventually snap. Every time they arrest someone they are filmed by some twat.my DH was actually asked to film a stop and search on the suspects phone for him as he was trying to search him, apparently DHs body cam wasn’t enough. He’s had people shouting and swearing at him whilst some youth was ripping off his shirt running at him shouting I’ll kill you. DH is very calm and older! He can just think that.,he’s not some 20 year old who doesn’t know how to react.

I couldn’t do what he does, I’m not surprised an officer snapped, quite frankly any normal person thinks that person deserved a kick in the head. Most police are better than the majority.

But we need to start giving the police the respect they deserve

Your husband sounds like a good police officer.
The couple I know have told me that however tempting it may be, and whatever the provocation, a key part of the job isn't to stamp on people's heads when they are on the ground, and no longer a danger. It's a slippery slope to police brutality if that's ever acceptable.
As a teacher, I was told to fuck off recently repeatedly by a Year 6 child as I asked him to comply with a reasonable request. I didn't tell him to fuck off back.

Absolutely- I certainly am not suited to those kind of roles- but I can see how some officers just lose it after years of poor treatment bully the public.

Thd phones thing is awful too. Ds’s friend is a newbie policeman. He was telling me he attended an awful dv incident, and as the woman was led out to the ambulance there were loads of neighbours filming. Even worse there was a baby death and family members were filming.

on another separate issue, an OP does not “own” the thread. If they’ve started a thread about chickens and it then morphs into a discussion of bantams, tant pis.

I mean no disrespect to those people on here with family in the police-but if someone I knew was being arrested I would want to video the process too.

I think the previous poster was more concerned about victims being filmed

Why? The police wear body cams. People filming the police often do so on a way that tries to intimidate. Often only part gets shown

In the last fortnight, a Black woman was shot dead in her own home and one of the officers had not turned his body camera on. Body camera footage could also mysteriously "go missing" or the camera "develops a fault" at the exact time that a suspect "bumped his head on a door frame" or "tripped over a kerb". If I was being arrested, I would prefer for someone other than a police officer to film it.

Filming a victim getting into an ambulance is ghoulish and a very different matter. Paramedics, unlike the police, are not known for brutality, so there's no need to invade the victim's privacy in that way.

Oh, I wouldn’t trust the medical profession as far as I could throw them. I’ve been left with PTSD by medical staff. There’s many cases of medical staff sexually assaulting patients, acting without consent, changing notes, even killing people. Maybe we should film everything they do too? or do you think that might affect how they do their job.

so one officer forgot to turn his body cam on, presumably there were others there with them on?
How do you feel about snippets of DH ions of officers appearing on line, usually out of context, putting those officers and families at risk? I think posting such footage online should be made illegal

How would you feel about someone filming you doing your job and posting snippets on line, manipulated to making you look bad?

maybe kids should start filming teachers to make sure their teaching is up to scratch?

George Floyd.

And the death of someone in America is relevant to UK policing how?

I'm surprised I have to spell it out!
You've said earlier on something along the lines of, and I'm paraphrasing, that people filming police officers arresting people/policing is unnecessary as police have body cameras, and annoying to police. Other people rightly pointed out that this isn't reliable.
George Floyd was murdered by police in a racist attack. If this wasn't filmed by a young bystander, the murdering police officer would have got away with it.
This example explains how important it is for members of the public to police the police by filming them.

It’s bothering me too. Over a week and they’re still referring to it as so.

Now that the taylor swift concerts in Austria hv been cancelled I'm wondering if there is a connection after all. Isis hv been posting things online to radicalise young teenagers. I'm wondering if this was this teens inspiration because it was TS themed event?

Yes, but I guess we can’t still talk about it? We will find out on October once he is in court.